Black Holes From a Previous Universe Shine Light on Our Own

[Skwim]

"Cosmologists say they have found remnants of a bygone universe in the afterglow of the Big Bang found in the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB).

The discovery gives weight to the controversial theory of Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, or CCC, that suggests our universe is just one of many, built from the remains of a previous one in the Big Bang 13.6 billion years ago.

The theory describes an eternal cycle of Big Bang events, repeating into the far distant future, the end of our universe giving rise to a new one.

A team led by Oxford University mathematics emeritus Roger Penrose, a former collaborator of the late Stephen Hawking, claims in a new paper lodged on the preprint server arXiv to have found signs of so-called Hawking Points, anomalous high energy features in the CMB.

Penrose and colleagues say that these anomalies were made from the last moments of black holes evaporating through “Hawking radiation”.

Conformal Cyclic Cosmology strongly conflicts with the current standard model explaining the evolution of the universe. “Unlike previous cyclic universe models, there is no ‘Big Crunch’ where everything comes together again,” explains Duffy. “Instead CCC links the similarity of the current accelerating expansion of the universe by dark energy with early expansion of inflation in the Big Bang.”

The results from Penrose and colleagues are likely to be met with skepticism by many mainstream cosmologists.
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[The Anointed]

"Cosmologists say they have found remnants of a bygone universe in the afterglow of the Big Bang found in the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB).

The discovery gives weight to the controversial theory of Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, or CCC, that suggests our universe is just one of many, built from the remains of a previous one in the Big Bang 13.6 billion years ago.

The theory describes an eternal cycle of Big Bang events, repeating into the far distant future, the end of our universe giving rise to a new one.

A team led by Oxford University mathematics emeritus Roger Penrose, a former collaborator of the late Stephen Hawking, claims in a new paper lodged on the preprint server arXiv to have found signs of so-called Hawking Points, anomalous high energy features in the CMB.

Penrose and colleagues say that these anomalies were made from the last moments of black holes evaporating through “Hawking radiation”.

Conformal Cyclic Cosmology strongly conflicts with the current standard model explaining the evolution of the universe. “Unlike previous cyclic universe models, there is no ‘Big Crunch’ where everything comes together again,” explains Duffy. “Instead CCC links the similarity of the current accelerating expansion of the universe by dark energy with early expansion of inflation in the Big Bang.”

The results from Penrose and colleagues are likely to be met with skepticism by many mainstream cosmologists.
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Yes, science will eventually come to terms with what the religious ancients have known for thousands of years.

According to the ancient cultures, we live in an eternal oscillating universe that expands outward and contracts back to its beginning in space time. .

“Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara, or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds would seem as an eternity, or but a moment in time.

‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the “GENERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE.”

The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc. And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles of endless rebirths that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.

Enoch the righteous, wrote that God created an eighth day also, so that it should be the first after his works, and it is a day eternal with neither hours, days, weeks, months or years, for all time is stuck together in one eon, etc, etc, and all who enter into the generation of the Light beings, are able to visit all those worlds that still exist in Space-Time, but not in our time.

A series of worlds following one upon the other-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it. This is the true resurrection in which all from the previous cycle of universal activity, who still have the judgmental war raging within them, are born again into the endless cycles of physical manifestation, or rebirths.

 

[Regiomontanus]

"Cosmologists say they have found remnants of a bygone universe in the afterglow of the Big Bang found in the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB).

The discovery gives weight to the controversial theory of Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, or CCC, that suggests our universe is just one of many, built from the remains of a previous one in the Big Bang 13.6 billion years ago.

The theory describes an eternal cycle of Big Bang events, repeating into the far distant future, the end of our universe giving rise to a new one.

A team led by Oxford University mathematics emeritus Roger Penrose, a former collaborator of the late Stephen Hawking, claims in a new paper lodged on the preprint server arXiv to have found signs of so-called Hawking Points, anomalous high energy features in the CMB.

Penrose and colleagues say that these anomalies were made from the last moments of black holes evaporating through “Hawking radiation”.

Conformal Cyclic Cosmology strongly conflicts with the current standard model explaining the evolution of the universe. “Unlike previous cyclic universe models, there is no ‘Big Crunch’ where everything comes together again,” explains Duffy. “Instead CCC links the similarity of the current accelerating expansion of the universe by dark energy with early expansion of inflation in the Big Bang.”

The results from Penrose and colleagues are likely to be met with skepticism by many mainstream cosmologists.
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Hello. I look forward to reading this new paper by Penrose. But know that he claimed the same thing in 2010 was wrong. His theory has many problems and most cosmologists do not buy it. But that does not mean he is wrong overall of course. Penrose is probably the most brilliant man alive today, IMHO, but that does not he is right of course.This could be an exciting discovery but it it is far too early to be sure.

Penrose's Cyclic Cosmology - Cosmic Variance

Here is the link to the new paper:

[1808.01740] Apparent evidence for Hawking points in the CMB Sky


Peace

 

[sayak83]

"Cosmologists say they have found remnants of a bygone universe in the afterglow of the Big Bang found in the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB).

The discovery gives weight to the controversial theory of Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, or CCC, that suggests our universe is just one of many, built from the remains of a previous one in the Big Bang 13.6 billion years ago.

The theory describes an eternal cycle of Big Bang events, repeating into the far distant future, the end of our universe giving rise to a new one.

A team led by Oxford University mathematics emeritus Roger Penrose, a former collaborator of the late Stephen Hawking, claims in a new paper lodged on the preprint server arXiv to have found signs of so-called Hawking Points, anomalous high energy features in the CMB.

Penrose and colleagues say that these anomalies were made from the last moments of black holes evaporating through “Hawking radiation”.

Conformal Cyclic Cosmology strongly conflicts with the current standard model explaining the evolution of the universe. “Unlike previous cyclic universe models, there is no ‘Big Crunch’ where everything comes together again,” explains Duffy. “Instead CCC links the similarity of the current accelerating expansion of the universe by dark energy with early expansion of inflation in the Big Bang.”

The results from Penrose and colleagues are likely to be met with skepticism by many mainstream cosmologists.
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Let it get through peer review first.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

"Cosmologists say they have found remnants of a bygone universe in the afterglow of the Big Bang found in the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB).

The discovery gives weight to the controversial theory of Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, or CCC, that suggests our universe is just one of many, built from the remains of a previous one in the Big Bang 13.6 billion years ago.

The theory describes an eternal cycle of Big Bang events, repeating into the far distant future, the end of our universe giving rise to a new one.

A team led by Oxford University mathematics emeritus Roger Penrose, a former collaborator of the late Stephen Hawking, claims in a new paper lodged on the preprint server arXiv to have found signs of so-called Hawking Points, anomalous high energy features in the CMB.

Penrose and colleagues say that these anomalies were made from the last moments of black holes evaporating through “Hawking radiation”.

Conformal Cyclic Cosmology strongly conflicts with the current standard model explaining the evolution of the universe. “Unlike previous cyclic universe models, there is no ‘Big Crunch’ where everything comes together again,” explains Duffy. “Instead CCC links the similarity of the current accelerating expansion of the universe by dark energy with early expansion of inflation in the Big Bang.”

The results from Penrose and colleagues are likely to be met with skepticism by many mainstream cosmologists.
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Interesting theory. I look forward to hearing more about it

 

[12jtartar]

"Cosmologists say they have found remnants of a bygone universe in the afterglow of the Big Bang found in the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB).

The discovery gives weight to the controversial theory of Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, or CCC, that suggests our universe is just one of many, built from the remains of a previous one in the Big Bang 13.6 billion years ago.

The theory describes an eternal cycle of Big Bang events, repeating into the far distant future, the end of our universe giving rise to a new one.

A team led by Oxford University mathematics emeritus Roger Penrose, a former collaborator of the late Stephen Hawking, claims in a new paper lodged on the preprint server arXiv to have found signs of so-called Hawking Points, anomalous high energy features in the CMB.

Penrose and colleagues say that these anomalies were made from the last moments of black holes evaporating through “Hawking radiation”.

Conformal Cyclic Cosmology strongly conflicts with the current standard model explaining the evolution of the universe. “Unlike previous cyclic universe models, there is no ‘Big Crunch’ where everything comes together again,” explains Duffy. “Instead CCC links the similarity of the current accelerating expansion of the universe by dark energy with early expansion of inflation in the Big Bang.”

The results from Penrose and colleagues are likely to be met with skepticism by many mainstream cosmologists.
source​

Skwim,
Since you seem to have a mind that respects Science, allow me Please to remind you of a couple of Facts, according to Science. Of course everyone knows this, but the rules seem to be overlooked when Scientists speculate on things they find in the heavens. Explosions cause Chaos, the greater the explosion, the greater the Chaos!!! This is a Scientific LAW, not a maybe!! Why then has our Scientist overlooked this LAW, when they come up with the rediculous speculation, called The Big Bang Theory, when this theory goes against one of the most accepted laws in nature??? The heavens are sometimes called The Cosmos, which means harmony. When in all of history has there been an example of this. Have you ever heard of, Correspondence Theory, or coherence Theory?? They are laws which imply, for something to, even be considered as a fact, there MUST be at least one example this in history.
It is very difficult for me to have confidence in a group of people you dismiss laws of nature, because they don’t fit the theory’s, dreams they dream up.
One more point, to overlook or dismiss God from a study of the Cosmos, means, you have the same chance to find truth about the Cosmos, as finding the answer in the Energy formula, if you left out Mc square, speed of light squared!!!
Another point, how much can you trust a Scientists, when he finds in our DNA a written record of our growing, which Scientists can now read, and even make changes. Many Scientists, especially Molecular Scientists, have changed their mind about our Creator, because so much is impossible when depending on a
Mother Nature, who knows nothing, according to Scientists, all things just happen, through a natular course of unguided events.
Can anyone trust people who deny laws to believe in impossible theory’s???!!
Maybe we should consider Cosmological proof, Teleological Argument or Proof!!!

 

[Polymath257]

It's an amusing proposal. At present, the evidence is spotty and not to the standard of an actual detection (which in physics requires a 5-sigma deviation). Also, it is one of many different proposals involving multiverses or previous universes. So it is prudent to see how things shake out over time.

 

[Woberts]

Skwim,
Since you seem to have a mind that respects Science, allow me Please to remind you of a couple of Facts, according to Science. Of course everyone knows this, but the rules seem to be overlooked when Scientists speculate on things they find in the heavens. Explosions cause Chaos, the greater the explosion, the greater the Chaos!!! This is a Scientific LAW, not a maybe!! Why then has our Scientist overlooked this LAW, when they come up with the rediculous speculation, called The Big Bang Theory, when this theory goes against one of the most accepted laws in nature??? The heavens are sometimes called The Cosmos, which means harmony. When in all of history has there been an example of this. Have you ever heard of, Correspondence Theory, or coherence Theory?? They are laws which imply, for something to, even be considered as a fact, there MUST be at least one example this in history.
It is very difficult for me to have confidence in a group of people you dismiss laws of nature, because they don’t fit the theory’s, dreams they dream up.
One more point, to overlook or dismiss God from a study of the Cosmos, means, you have the same chance to find truth about the Cosmos, as finding the answer in the Energy formula, if you left out Mc square, speed of light squared!!!
Another point, how much can you trust a Scientists, when he finds in our DNA a written record of our growing, which Scientists can now read, and even make changes. Many Scientists, especially Molecular Scientists, have changed their mind about our Creator, because so much is impossible when depending on a
Mother Nature, who knows nothing, according to Scientists, all things just happen, through a natular course of unguided events.
Can anyone trust people who deny laws to believe in impossible theory’s???!!
Maybe we should consider Cosmological proof, Teleological Argument or Proof!!!

Nice one.
Way to do it to 'em.

 

[Thief]

The results are likely to be met with skepticism by many mainstream cosmologists.

yep

as well as everyday slugs ....like myself

 

[JoshuaTree]

It's an amusing proposal. At present, the evidence is spotty and not to the standard of an actual detection (which in physics requires a 5-sigma deviation). Also, it is one of many different proposals involving multiverses or previous universes. So it is prudent to see how things shake out over time.

The universe decays into dark energy accelerates expansion until the "big rip" destroying everything and uncoupling space-time, and from the nothingness a quantum fluctuation starts the process all over again? Sounds ok to me lol.

 

[Skwim]

Yes, science will eventually come to terms with what the religious ancients have known for thousands of years.

Of course your use of "known" is absurd. At most, they may have "claimed."

The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’

Don't kid yourself.

"Generation" comes from the Old French generacion "race, people, species; progeny, offspring; act of procreating" (12c., Modern French génération) and directly from Latin generationem (nominative generatio) "generating, generation," noun of action from past-participle stem of generare "bring forth, beget, produce," from genus "race, kind" (from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups).
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[Skwim]

Skwim,
Since you seem to have a mind that respects Science, allow me Please to remind you of a couple of Facts, according to Science. Of course everyone knows this, but the rules seem to be overlooked when Scientists speculate on things they find in the heavens. Explosions cause Chaos, the greater the explosion, the greater the Chaos!!! This is a Scientific LAW, not a maybe!!

If this is a law, "the greater the explosion, the greater the chaos," I would appreciate a link to a scientific site that lists it. Thank you

Have you ever heard of, Correspondence Theory, or coherence Theory?? They are laws which imply, . . .

Theories are NOT laws. Any first year science student could tell you this. Truthfully, I don't believe you know the difference between a hypothesis, a theory, and a law. Please look them up before saying anything more.

One more point, to overlook or dismiss God from a study of the Cosmos, means, you have the same chance to find truth about the Cosmos, as finding the answer in the Energy formula, if you left out Mc square, speed of light squared!!!

And your source for this assertion is . . . . . . . . ?

Another point, how much can you trust a Scientists, when he finds in our DNA a written record of our growing, which Scientists can now read, and even make changes.

Quite a bit, but why wouldn't I trust them for this reason, as you seem to suggest?

Many Scientists, especially Molecular Scientists, have changed their mind about our Creator, because so much is impossible when depending on a
Mother Nature, who knows nothing, according to Scientists, all things just happen, through a natular course of unguided events.
Can anyone trust people who deny laws to believe in impossible theory’s???!!
Maybe we should consider Cosmological proof, Teleological Argument or Proof!!!

Whaaaa?

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[ChristineM]

"Cosmologists say they have found remnants of a bygone universe in the afterglow of the Big Bang found in the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB).

The discovery gives weight to the controversial theory of Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, or CCC, that suggests our universe is just one of many, built from the remains of a previous one in the Big Bang 13.6 billion years ago.

The theory describes an eternal cycle of Big Bang events, repeating into the far distant future, the end of our universe giving rise to a new one.

A team led by Oxford University mathematics emeritus Roger Penrose, a former collaborator of the late Stephen Hawking, claims in a new paper lodged on the preprint server arXiv to have found signs of so-called Hawking Points, anomalous high energy features in the CMB.

Penrose and colleagues say that these anomalies were made from the last moments of black holes evaporating through “Hawking radiation”.

Conformal Cyclic Cosmology strongly conflicts with the current standard model explaining the evolution of the universe. “Unlike previous cyclic universe models, there is no ‘Big Crunch’ where everything comes together again,” explains Duffy. “Instead CCC links the similarity of the current accelerating expansion of the universe by dark energy with early expansion of inflation in the Big Bang.”

The results from Penrose and colleagues are likely to be met with skepticism by many mainstream cosmologists.
source​

Another hypothesis. Oh wait its not really new. But i do consider Penrose has vested interest in a cyclic scenario.

 

[Skwim]

Hello. I look forward to reading this new paper by Penrose. But know that he claimed the same thing in 2010 was wrong. His theory has many problems and most cosmologists do not buy it. But that does not mean he is wrong overall of course. Penrose is probably the most brilliant man alive today, IMHO, but that does not he is right of course.This could be an exciting discovery but it it is far too early to be sure.

Penrose's Cyclic Cosmology - Cosmic Variance

Here is the link to the new paper:

[1808.01740] Apparent evidence for Hawking points in the CMB Sky

Peace

Interesting that its first form was announced eight years ago. Unfortunately I don't have the education to evaluate his claim, and like so much in science, will have to see how it all comes out in the wash. Although, considering Penrose's reputation---I've been familiar with him for years---the likelihood of what he says is true increases significantly.

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[Skwim]

Another hypothesis. Oh wait its not really new. But i do consider Penrose has vested interest in a cyclic scenario.

I assume you mean time and energy.

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[ChristineM]

I assume you mean time and energy.

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Penrose has always been at odds with mainstream cosmology with his cyclic universe hypothesis. Making observations fit his ideas to bolster his credibility would not be surprising.

Edit. Yes i too am sceptical of his claims

 

[David T]

"Cosmologists say they have found remnants of a bygone universe in the afterglow of the Big Bang found in the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB).

The discovery gives weight to the controversial theory of Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, or CCC, that suggests our universe is just one of many, built from the remains of a previous one in the Big Bang 13.6 billion years ago.

The theory describes an eternal cycle of Big Bang events, repeating into the far distant future, the end of our universe giving rise to a new one.

A team led by Oxford University mathematics emeritus Roger Penrose, a former collaborator of the late Stephen Hawking, claims in a new paper lodged on the preprint server arXiv to have found signs of so-called Hawking Points, anomalous high energy features in the CMB.

Penrose and colleagues say that these anomalies were made from the last moments of black holes evaporating through “Hawking radiation”.

Conformal Cyclic Cosmology strongly conflicts with the current standard model explaining the evolution of the universe. “Unlike previous cyclic universe models, there is no ‘Big Crunch’ where everything comes together again,” explains Duffy. “Instead CCC links the similarity of the current accelerating expansion of the universe by dark energy with early expansion of inflation in the Big Bang.”

The results from Penrose and colleagues are likely to be met with skepticism by many mainstream cosmologists.
source​

Time to put on the 3D glasses and watch the movie, i mean debate unfold.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Interesting that its first form was announced eight years ago. Unfortunately I don't have the education to evaluate his claim, and like so much in science, will have to see how it all comes out in the wash. Although, considering Penrose's reputation---I've been familiar with him for years---the likelihood of what he says is true increases significantly.

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Hello. If you want to learn much of the mathematics needed to understand his physics, I highly recommend his book 'Road to Reality'. I have recommended it to many of my students and they all seem to agree on how clearly it is written. It does not read like a textbook, it is much more informal. It is a large book and it starts out with the basics so really all one needs some algebra though a familiarity with elementary calculus is helpful.

Peace

 

[David T]

Hello. I look forward to reading this new paper by Penrose. But know that he claimed the same thing in 2010 was wrong. His theory has many problems and most cosmologists do not buy it. But that does not mean he is wrong overall of course. Penrose is probably the most brilliant man alive today, IMHO, but that does not he is right of course.This could be an exciting discovery but it it is far too early to be sure.

Penrose's Cyclic Cosmology - Cosmic Variance

Here is the link to the new paper:

[1808.01740] Apparent evidence for Hawking points in the CMB Sky


Peace

I was going to bring that up about penrose. He has a particular view and so he looks for evidence to support it. But thats how science is at these levels. He at the very least challenges the status quo...

 

[Twilight Hue]

Let it get through peer review first.

In the meantime nothing beats a good Carl Sagan zeal to keep us looking at the stars.