Why Blasphemy is dangerous

[KT Shamim]

Thanks. I do think we should take blasphemy and consequences serious. It only takes, like you said "1 pagal molvi" to start world war 3. That's how Hitler started. And there are plenty of people with this kind of "superiority feeling" or even "suppressed anger projected on west/east". Not sure if the rich elite still controls it all; even they should be smart enough to know that once nukes are flying nobody is safe anymore.

Logically the rich elite should know a lot. But for anger, pride, selfishness ... those enemies of logic and reason and honesty. Self-control is where religion plays a crucial role ... the true teachings of religions at their origins.
To promote the military industrial complex the corporations of USA and oligarchs of Russia/China have been playing dangerous games. Obviously their charade was going to get out of hand given the kinds of mad pieces (including pagal molvi) that they were using.

 

[Spiderman]

A person cannot follow the Koran while respecting Idolators.

The Koran says to slay Idolators wherever you find them.

Muhammad destroyed shrines and Idols that others held as sacred.

The Koran condemns all who reject the "messenger of Allah".

Any nation that gets a Muslim majority will have fanatics and bigots who follow the example of Muhammad, and persecute non-muslims.

There will be people practicing Sharia as well. It's already happening in Europe.

You can't really blame extremists for wanting to follow in the footsteps of their founder and Prophet.

 

[stvdv]

I saw a program about Islam

three men took their turns at the same podium....
the first wore all white tunic and a small cap on his head
he spoke of his faith as a discipline in a stoic manner

the second wore all black tunic ...no cap
huge dark circles under his eyes
and started his speech by saying
Islam is not a religion of peace

he got booed and hissed at
needing to raise his palms to quite the crowd

the last fellow was dressed in casual street attire
and spoke in moderation as was his faith

take your pick

they do

I saw on RF yesterday a program about Hare Krishna
They invited 2 very friendly Hare Krishna's and 2 tigres
That is what they do nowadays
They call it reality tv, but sometimes it's "fake reality" IMO

But I agree with you, that's why I replied about the danger of some Islamists
I think the boo and hiss was friendly compared to "nuking Holland" though

 

[Spiderman]

All of Europe needs to wake up and take a stand against the ugliest forms of tyranny, misogyny, homophobia, bigotry, oppression, and dark-aged hatred in our world.

Islamic extremists and theocracies are making life worse than death for hundreds of millions of people!

Stop the hate!

Some Europeans persecute people for simply speaking the truth about Muhammad and the Qur'an.

I only speak about it out of love, compassion, social justice, and love for freedom.

I love Muslims. Just don't like some of what they promote!

 

[Thief]

You can't really blame extremists for wanting to follow in the footsteps of their founder and Prophet.

oh yes I can

Peace first

 

[Spiderman]

oh yes I can

Peace first

Muhammad would cut off a "thief's" hand!

He cut off the heads of opponents.

He was as far from peaceful as a person can get.

I much prefer people like Gandhi and Martin Luther King.

They should be who Muslims imitate.

 

[stvdv]

So, if a man goes to heaven to boink 72 virgins forever and ever and ever, don't they eventually need new virgins to get the same fix?

Eternity is a long time.

Also, why do I hear so much about guys getting virgins?

What do women get for blowing themselves up in a crowded place? 72 ackward boys that have no experience with a woman? Doesn't sound like Heaven is as rewarding for female suicide--bombers!

It's even worse than what they ever could expect IMO
Eternal Virgins might just mean what it says "Look, but don't touch"
https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-blasphemy-is-dangerous.210557/page-4#post-5700977

 

[Thief]

and then maybe.....eighty year old nuns....

 

[Spiderman]

It's even worse than what they ever could expect IMO
Eternal Virgins might just mean what it says "Look, but don't touch"
https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-blasphemy-is-dangerous.210557/page-4#post-5700977

I would cut off my junk, under those circumstances!

 

[stvdv]

and then maybe.....eighty year old nuns....

You make "Look don't touch" easy for them

 

[stvdv]

I would cut off my junk, under those circumstances!

And miss out on Thief's "eighty year old nuns"

 

[KT Shamim]

A person cannot follow the Koran while respecting Idolators.

The Koran says to slay Idolators wherever you find them.

Muhammad destroyed shrines and Idols that others held as sacred.

The Koran condemns all who reject the "messenger of Allah".

Any nation that gets a Muslim majority will have fanatics and bigots who follow the example of Muhammad, and persecute non-muslims.

There will be people practicing Sharia as well. It's already happening in Europe.

You can't really blame extremists for wanting to follow in the footsteps of their founder and Prophet.

Dude ... we specifically discussed this and I answered the verses you supposed say that all idolators should be slayed. Still you go on about this?

[Qur'an 2:257] "There should be no compulsion in religion. Surely, right has become distinct from wrong; ... "

 

[Spiderman]

Dude ... we specifically discussed this and I answered the verses you supposed say that all idolators should be slayed. Still you go on about this?

[Qur'an 2:257] "There should be no compulsion in religion. Surely, right has become distinct from wrong; ... "

No,
You didn't prove anything.

Just because you can find words of peace, that is like saying a serial killer is a peaceful person, because he wrote some words of peace.

The Qur'an says to slay Idolators wherever you find them, and Muhammad talks about cruel tortures, crucifixions, burnings, and hacking off the hands and feet of his enemies.

That is cruel, vicious, sadistic, psychopathic talk and tortures glorified in your"holy book".

Many Muslims in my lifetime have acted out those sick gruesome fantasies on other human beings!

I proved that you don't know what you are talking about.

A serial killer or terrorist is not justified just because they speak some words of peace or do some good deeds!

That is essentially what you are saying!

 

[KT Shamim]

No,
You didn't prove anything.

Just because you can find words of peace, that is like saying a serial killer is a peaceful person, because he wrote some words of peace.

The Qur'an says to slay Idolators wherever you find them, and Muhammad talks about cruel tortures, crucifixions, burnings, and hacking off the hands and feet of his enemies.

That is cruel, vicious, sadistic, psychopathic talk and tortures glorified in your"holy book".

Many Muslims in my lifetime have acted out those sick gruesome fantasies on other human beings!

I proved that you don't know what you are talking about.

A serial killer or terrorist is not justified just because they speak some words of peace or do some good deeds!

That is essentially what you are saying!

No I didn't just quote some verses of peace. I categorically qualified verses you quoted showing that they only apply in circumstances where idolators are the bullies.

[Qur'an 9:4] "Excepting those of the idolaters with whom you have entered into a treaty and who have not subsequently failed you in anything nor aided anyone against you. So fulfil to these the treaty you have made with them till their term. Surely, Allah loves those who are righteous."
[Qur'an 9:6] "And if anyone of the idolaters ask protection of thee, grant him protection so that he may hear the word of Allah; then convey him to his place of security. That is because they are a people who have no knowledge".

 

[Spiderman]

No I didn't just quote some verses of peace. I categorically qualified verses you quoted showing that they only apply in circumstances where idolators are the bullies.

[Qur'an 9:4] "Excepting those of the idolaters with whom you have entered into a treaty and who have not subsequently failed you in anything nor aided anyone against you. So fulfil to these the treaty you have made with them till their term. Surely, Allah loves those who are righteous."
[Qur'an 9:6] "And if anyone of the idolaters ask protection of thee, grant him protection so that he may hear the word of Allah; then convey him to his place of security. That is because they are a people who have no knowledge".

That isn't all I was talking about...and Many Muslims don't read it in proper context or preach the proper context.

Muhammad killed many polytheists, and destroyed Idols and shrines that were sacred to Polytheists. That is a fact!

Also, Muhammad promoted mutilation, cutting off hands and feet, burning, and crucifying people.

I don't care what the context is. Even serial-killers and terrorists like Taliban and ISIS don't deserve to be tortured like that.

Muslim regimes have been famous for mutilating people. Mutilating, torturing, disfiguring, and dehumanizing infidels is glorified in your "Holy Book", so it is no wonder this barbaric practice is so much more common in 21st century Islam than other Religions.

Aisha suffered early in life, losing her mother and forced into marriage as a teenager.[1] In a practice known as baad, Aisha's father promised her to a Taliban fighter when she was 12 years old as compensation for a killing that a member of her family had committed. She was married at 14 and subjected to abuse. At 18 she fled the abuse but was caught by police, jailed for five months, and returned to her family.[2] Her father returned her to her husband's family. To take revenge on her escape, her father-in-law, husband, and three other family members took Aisha into the mountains, cut off her nose and her ears, and left her to die
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibi_Aisha
(Here is a picture of her mutilated face. An otherwise attractive human being)

Spoiler

I would much rather be killed than be disfigured, and the Koran glorifies it!

 

[KT Shamim]

That isn't all I was talking about...

Before I try to answer the remaining argument you may concede at least that the "Islam promotes killing of all idolators" concept is completely wrong on your part.

All the other allegations can be proven to be false, disconnected, nothing to do with Islam easily. You need to provide evidence from the Qur'an for each of the allegations because unless you don't they are all allegations and nothing more. Maybe I'll learn something ...

 

[Spiderman]

Before I try to answer the remaining argument you may concede at least that the "Islam promotes killing of all idolators" concept is completely wrong on your part.

All the other allegations can be proven to be false, disconnected, nothing to do with Islam easily. You need to provide evidence from the Qur'an for each of the allegations because unless you don't they are all allegations and nothing more. Maybe I'll learn something ...

I said the Qur'an says "slay the Idolators wherever you find them".

It does say that!

Now of course, there are other verses that give the quote more accurate meaning.

And yes, the Qur'an glorifies crucifying, mutilating, torturing, burning, and chopping off the hands and feet of Muhammad's enemies.

I've shared those verses multiple times, so will not waste anymore time with you!

Torturing and mutilating anyone, including Osama bin Laden, ISIS fighters, serial killers, or anyone is wrong!

There comes a time to kill them, but never torture and mutilate them!

 

[Spiderman]

Before I try to answer the remaining argument you may concede at least that the "Islam promotes killing of all idolators" concept is completely wrong on your part.

All the other allegations can be proven to be false, disconnected, nothing to do with Islam easily. You need to provide evidence from the Qur'an for each of the allegations because unless you don't they are all allegations and nothing more. Maybe I'll learn something ...

"The recompense of those who fight Allah and His messenger, and seek to make corruption in the land, is that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from alternate sides or that they be banished from the land; that is their disgrace in this world and in the Hereafter they will have a great torment." (Qur'an 5:33)

I've heard Muslims explain this in multiple ways. One is that it is what happens to us infidels after our death. That is just as sick, psychopathic, disgusting, and wrong as doing it to us in this life, and if it lasts for all eternity, that is worse than cutting off our hands and feet in this life. Far worse! Also, if Allah treats us like that, why can't ISIS treat us like that?

Another Muslim told me that Muhammad didn't have prisons to put his prisoners of war, so he cut off their hands and feet so they could not get away. That is still sick, cruel, sadistic, vicious treatment that no human should go through. It would be much nicer to just quickly cut off our heads than make us live a full lifespan where we can't change our clothes, use the bathroom, or feed ourselves. What if we convert to Islam? How can we be productive members of society with no hands and feet?

That's what makes me so angry about Muslims is how often they torture people, cut out tongues, cut off hands, cut off noses, cut off ears and lips and what not, or condemn people to a full miserable life-span under tyranny where lovers of freedom can't speak their mind. I don't care if you put me before a firing squad or cut off my head! I do care if you leave me permanently disfigured. That is much worse than death imo, and Muslims keep putting people through these tortures!

 

[KT Shamim]

I said the Qur'an says "slay the Idolators wherever you find them".

Okay, please show me the verse where it says "kill/slay the idolators wherever you find them".

 

[Spiderman]

Okay, please show me the verse where it says "kill/slay the idolators wherever you find them".

slay the idolaters wherever you find them” – Quran 9:5