TrueBeliever37
Well-Known Member
Yet, if the 9/11 terrorists used the EXACT same method... that is they prayed and sought out God with FAITH and were convinced that God showed Himself to be very real to them. So real in fact that they believed that He wanted them to sacrifice themselves for God's greater glory. This is an example of people using FAITH to ascertain the TRUTH. In this example, do YOU believe that faith was a reliable means of determining the truth? DID God want these men to fly planes into buildings filled with people?
You just admitted that FAITH does NOT prove you have the truth, which is another way of saying that FAITH is NOT a reliable path to truth. What you're saying is that FAITH worked in MY case (for which we have no evidence other than your word - just like we have no evidence that the terrorists actually communed with God, other than their word that they did). That's like saying that flipping a coin is a RELIABLE path to the truth. Let's say we ask what is 1+1. I flip a coin, heads means that 1+1=2 and tails means that 1+1=3. If I flip the coin and it comes up heads (1+1=2) the correct answer, can I then conclude that flipping a coin is a RELIABLE path to the truth? NO, because the next time I flip the coin it has a 50/50 chance of coming up tails.
Lastly, if a terrorist is capable of using faith to convince themselves of something that is not true, how can you be absolutely certain that you aren't ALSO using faith to convince yourself of something that is not true? Clearly a person can use faith to convince themselves of virtually ANYTHING. How can you be certain that your faith hasn't caused you to believe in something that isn't true? You say that God has shown Himself to you many times, that's why you have no doubts. But OBVIOUSLY the terrorists ALSO felt that God had shown Himself to them many times... they were so very certain of it that they were willing to bet their lives on it. This suggests that using FAITH can cause people to have experiences that convince them that they are communicating with God when they actually are NOT. How can you be so certain that you're immune from this phenomenon?
I have already agreed that just because you have faith in something doesn't make it true. I think the faith the terrorist have is because of faith in the writings of their book, not because of thinking God has personally dealt with them. (But I could be wrong.) Maybe when I have more time I will share a few ways that God has shown himself to be real to me. You can be the judge. Of course if you don't believe what I say, or think I am lying, then it will do no good. Would I just be wasting my time?