For creationists: Show evidences for creation of man

[shmogie]

But that is not logically evidence for creationism. The thread title and OP explicitly request evidence for creationism.

Uh, if there is no evidence for one, there is de facto no evidence for the other.

 

[gnostic]

Interesting. What evidence is there that anything living spontaneously generated itself from dirty water ?

If you add water to soil, you would get dirty water.

This is about creationists, showing how it is possible to create a living man straight from earth (soil, clay, dirt, call it what you want).

Both scriptures, indicate there are no the usual sex, conception, pregnancy and childbirth; and no normal growth and development (meaning no infancy to adulthood).

It is just earth on moment, then a living, breathing adult male in the next.

The question is, how is that even possible?

The earth (eg silt or clay or dust) don’t have the same molecular structures that of cells, DNA, proteins, tissues or bones.

There are no rock or clay minerals in a human bodies. If the bible and Qur’ān are true about Adam’s creation then there should be evidences that clay or silt exist in a human body.

And with Eve, she was made from Adam’s body part (eg rib), without birth and childhood, like Adam, she was instant adulthood.

Some Christian creationists apologetic called this “cloning”.

So how do get a rib one moment, and another living human in the next?

When scientists attempted to clone the sheep (the clone wascalled Dolly), it required 3 adult sheeps to make Dolly.

1. One as a carrier (hence the surrogate mother) of the cloned embryo,
2. from the other sheep, her egg,
3. and from the 3rd mother, the sheep’s cell that carry the DNA.

As I understand it, the egg has its nucleus removed, to replace the egg’s nucleus with DNA of another sheep.

Dolly still had to go through being embryo and foetus, go through birthing, and still have to grow up before reaching adulthood.

The creation of clone still have to through growing process. Adulthood isn’t instantaneous, like Genesis creation or the Qur’ān. Instant adult humans are not possible.

A lot of movies that have cloning, is purely science fiction, where you get instant adult humans.

But getting back to creation of Adam, I don’t see how it is possible to make adult human from clay, silt or dust. Seeing that clay and silt have different physical characteristics to flesh and bones, I don't see how it is possible to turn from one to another.

Can you explain how that possible? Can you show evidences it is possible?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

If you add water to soil, you would get dirty water.

This is about creationists, showing how it is possible to create a living man straight from earth (soil, clay, dirt, call it what you want).

Both scriptures, indicate there are no the usual sex, conception, pregnancy and childbirth; and no normal growth and development (meaning no infancy to adulthood).

It is just earth on moment, then a living, breathing adult male in the next.

The question is, how is that even possible?

The earth (eg silt or clay or dust) don’t have the same molecular structures that of cells, DNA, proteins, tissues or bones.

There are no rock or clay minerals in a human bodies. If the bible and Qur’ān are true about Adam’s creation then there should be evidences that clay or silt exist in a human body.

And with Eve, she was made from Adam’s body part (eg rib), without birth and childhood, like Adam, she was instant adulthood.

Some Christian creationists apologetic called this “cloning”.

So how do get a rib one moment, and another living human in the next?

When scientists attempted to clone the sheep (the clone wascalled Dolly), it required 3 adult sheeps to make Dolly.

1. One as a carrier (hence the surrogate mother) of the cloned embryo,
2. from the other sheep, her egg,
3. and from the 3rd mother, the sheep’s cell that carry the DNA.

As I understand it, the egg has its nucleus removed, to replace the egg’s nucleus with DNA of another sheep.

Dolly still had to go through being embryo and foetus, go through birthing, and still have to grow up before reaching adulthood.

The creation of clone still have to through growing process. Adulthood isn’t instantaneous, like Genesis creation or the Qur’ān. Instant adult humans are not possible.

A lot of movies that have cloning, is purely science fiction, where you get instant adult humans.

But getting back to creation of Adam, I don’t see how it is possible to make adult human from clay, silt or dust. Seeing that clay and silt have different physical characteristics to flesh and bones, I don't see how it is possible to turn from one to another.

Can you explain how that possible? Can you show evidences it is possible?

Once science can create dirt ex nihilo, we'll try to answer the question.

 

[shmogie]

If you add water to soil, you would get dirty water.

This is about creationists, showing how it is possible to create a living man straight from earth (soil, clay, dirt, call it what you want).

Both scriptures, indicate there are no the usual sex, conception, pregnancy and childbirth; and no normal growth and development (meaning no infancy to adulthood).

It is just earth on moment, then a living, breathing adult male in the next.

The question is, how is that even possible?

The earth (eg silt or clay or dust) don’t have the same molecular structures that of cells, DNA, proteins, tissues or bones.

There are no rock or clay minerals in a human bodies. If the bible and Qur’ān are true about Adam’s creation then there should be evidences that clay or silt exist in a human body.

And with Eve, she was made from Adam’s body part (eg rib), without birth and childhood, like Adam, she was instant adulthood.

Some Christian creationists apologetic called this “cloning”.

So how do get a rib one moment, and another living human in the next?

When scientists attempted to clone the sheep (the clone wascalled Dolly), it required 3 adult sheeps to make Dolly.

1. One as a carrier (hence the surrogate mother) of the cloned embryo,
2. from the other sheep, her egg,
3. and from the 3rd mother, the sheep’s cell that carry the DNA.

As I understand it, the egg has its nucleus removed, to replace the egg’s nucleus with DNA of another sheep.

Dolly still had to go through being embryo and foetus, go through birthing, and still have to grow up before reaching adulthood.

The creation of clone still have to through growing process. Adulthood isn’t instantaneous, like Genesis creation or the Qur’ān. Instant adult humans are not possible.

A lot of movies that have cloning, is purely science fiction, where you get instant adult humans.

But getting back to creation of Adam, I don’t see how it is possible to make adult human from clay, silt or dust. Seeing that clay and silt have different physical characteristics to flesh and bones, I don't see how it is possible to turn from one to another.

Can you explain how that possible? Can you show evidences it is possible?

If you add water to soil, you would get dirty water.

This is about creationists, showing how it is possible to create a living man straight from earth (soil, clay, dirt, call it what you want).

Both scriptures, indicate there are no the usual sex, conception, pregnancy and childbirth; and no normal growth and development (meaning no infancy to adulthood).

It is just earth on moment, then a living, breathing adult male in the next.

The question is, how is that even possible?

The earth (eg silt or clay or dust) don’t have the same molecular structures that of cells, DNA, proteins, tissues or bones.

There are no rock or clay minerals in a human bodies. If the bible and Qur’ān are true about Adam’s creation then there should be evidences that clay or silt exist in a human body.

And with Eve, she was made from Adam’s body part (eg rib), without birth and childhood, like Adam, she was instant adulthood.

Some Christian creationists apologetic called this “cloning”.

So how do get a rib one moment, and another living human in the next?

When scientists attempted to clone the sheep (the clone wascalled Dolly), it required 3 adult sheeps to make Dolly.

1. One as a carrier (hence the surrogate mother) of the cloned embryo,
2. from the other sheep, her egg,
3. and from the 3rd mother, the sheep’s cell that carry the DNA.

As I understand it, the egg has its nucleus removed, to replace the egg’s nucleus with DNA of another sheep.

Dolly still had to go through being embryo and foetus, go through birthing, and still have to grow up before reaching adulthood.

The creation of clone still have to through growing process. Adulthood isn’t instantaneous, like Genesis creation or the Qur’ān. Instant adult humans are not possible.

A lot of movies that have cloning, is purely science fiction, where you get instant adult humans.

But getting back to creation of Adam, I don’t see how it is possible to make adult human from clay, silt or dust. Seeing that clay and silt have different physical characteristics to flesh and bones, I don't see how it is possible to turn from one to another.

Can you explain how that possible? Can you show evidences it is possible?

God is omnipotent. He could make the city of New York out of a gummy bear. You are trying to cage God inside the physical principles and laws of the universe. God created the universe and itś laws, he is outside of them, they don´t apply to him. You want evidence, well then you are here aren´t you ? Thatś all the evidence you need, unless, of course, you can provide other evidences of why humanity exists. The only other idea is that every living thing is the ancestor of, rock runoff in the rain, but there is no evidence for that either. Either way, we come from dirt.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yep, there are old earthers as well as young earthers. Better google them so you can pretend you knew about them all along.

There are also Christians that accept reality and reject the creation myths.

 

[Father Heathen]

Interesting. What evidence is there that anything living spontaneously generated itself from dirty water ?

Instead of digressing with a ridiculous straw man argument, why not simply refrain from posting if you're incapable of answering the question posed by the OP? It would be appreciated if you didn't cover the cheeseboard in pigeon poop.

 

[Skwim]

But that is not logically evidence for creationism. The thread title and OP explicitly request evidence for creationism.

Exactly, and shmogie, like sooo many other creationists unable to defend their creationism immediately default into changing the subject, most often by attacking evolution. Of course it's nothing new, but it does get tiresome. In fact, it's almost become a given.

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[Deeje]

The questions are, how can it be possible to make a living, breathing man of silt or clay or vague “dust”?So what evidences that you have that man is made directly out of the earth (soil)?

It shouldn’t be possible to create man from soil, unless it is all “magic” and supernatural.

"Almost 99% of the mass of the human body is made up of six elements: oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. Only about 0.85% is composed of another five elements: potassium, sulfur, sodium, chlorine, and magnesium. All 11 are necessary for life.

Composition of the human body - Wikipedia
Composition of the human body - Wikipedia"

Its not the literal dust or soil.....but the elements of the earth itself.

 

[stvdv]

The questions are, how can it be possible to make a living, breathing man of silt or clay or vague “dust”?

Is that not the "jinn" part in the Koran you mentioned?

 

[gnostic]

Ya think ? Why is that ? The answer to the OP is simple, God can make whatever he chooses out of whatever he chooses, Itś called omnipotence.

I´ll answer my own question. There is no evidence abiogenesis.

All questions answered.

In this thread, I am not interested in abiogenesis, nor in evolution. I am just interested in what evidences you would have for creation.

Even if abiogenesis get debunked, it doesn’t mean the biblical creation is “true” by default. It just mean abiogenesis is “wrong”, but doesn’t make creation of Adam “right”.

The only way you can demonstrate Adam’s creation, is to show evidences. All you have done is declared your personal belief that god is all-powerful. That’s not evidences, just your faith and your piety.

Saying God can do anything he wishes, is not really much of answer, nor is that evidence to what you may believe.

It sounds more like wishful thinking.

It would be like believing that genie can do anything with 3 wishes?

Again, I would ask again, is it possible to turn soil into flesh and bones?

Other than the bible (or the Qur’ān), are there any evidence of that happening?

Or is Adam‘s creation simply a story, like the gods turning Pygmalion’s life-like marble statue into a living woman, Galatea.

 

[shmogie]

In this thread, I am not interested in abiogenesis, nor in evolution. I am just interested in what evidences you would have for creation.

Even if abiogenesis get debunked, it doesn’t mean the biblical creation is “true” by default. It just mean abiogenesis is “wrong”, but doesn’t make creation of Adam “right”.

The only way you can demonstrate Adam’s creation, is to show evidences. All you have done is declared your personal belief that god is all-powerful. That’s not evidences, just your faith and your piety.

Saying God can do anything he wishes, is not really much of answer, nor is that evidence to what you may believe.

It sounds more like wishful thinking.

It would be like believing that genie can do anything with 3 wishes?

Again, I would ask again, is it possible to turn soil into flesh and bones?

Other than the bible (or the Qur’ān), are there any evidence of that happening?

Or is Adam‘s creation simply a story, like the gods turning Pygmalion’s life-like marble statue into a living woman, Galatea.

The omnipotence of God is your answer.

 

[sealchan]

Ya think ? Why is that ? The answer to the OP is simple, God can make whatever he chooses out of whatever he chooses, Itś called omnipotence.

I´ll answer my own question. There is no evidence abiogenesis.

All questions answered.

Therefore God created abiogenesis...

 

[sealchan]

Of course you are wrong. But then creationists tend to not understand the concept of evidence.

No they just understand it differently as anything God puts into their head. The teachings of man are all flawed of course so they continue to believe as their pastors drive sports cars and their congregation uses cellphone and laptops. .

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

The omnipotence of God is your answer.

Translation: Magic!

Notebook: This is not evidence of any sort, but a simple claim.

 

[sealchan]

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Can someone be convicted of a crime or the creation of the Universe if no one can demonstrate the existence of that someone in a court of law ?

 

[shmogie]

Can someone be convicted of a crime or the creation of the Universe if no one can demonstrate the existence of that someone in a court of law ?

Nope. There is no evidence for ANY of the theories for the creation of life. It is ALL based on belief.

From the standpoint of the human view of what is absurd, one is no more absurd than the other. Believe any of the absurdities that you choose.

As to the creation of the universe, the Big Bang fits extremely well with the Biblical view of creation.

 

[gnostic]

Is that not the "jinn" part in the Koran you mentioned?

Yes, but if I want to give you context, quoting a single verse don’t provide context.

The problem with some Christians and Muslims is they have bad habits of quoting single verse, and put whatever meaning into verse, which is often twisting the meaning of the scriptures they hold sacred.

 

[shmogie]

No they just understand it differently as anything God puts into their head. The teachings of man are all flawed of course so they continue to believe as their pastors drive sports cars and their congregation uses cellphone and laptops. .

Goodness, you know the mind of every believer, the behavior of every pastor, the view of every Christian on the "teachings of man".

Whew, you are either a towering intellect above all men, or a blowhard.

I know which I will vote for.

 

[Thief]

According to Genesis is made out of dust from the earth.

this is correct

we are not made of anything else

all of the material that is your body......came up from the ground

 

[Audie]

this is correct

we are not made of anything else

all of the material that is your body......came up from the ground

Mostly we are made of air.