For creationists: Show evidences for creation of man

[gnostic]

This topic is not about evidences “FOR” or “AGAINST” evolution.

This topic is about creationists showing demonstrable evidences that man (Adam) can be created from the earth, as some scriptures say, like the Genesis 2 and Qur’ān 15, 23, 38 & 55.

According to Genesis, Adam is made out of dust from the earth.

7 then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being.

As I understand it (verse), this “dust” would be “soil” of some types, which I had learned in my subjects on soil testing and foundation, in my days of studying civil engineering course, and “soil” could be of 3 basic types:

1. sand,
2. silt,
3. or clay.

Soil of these types have different chemical compounds and molecular structures of degraded rock minerals.

Before soil were made, the original source to soil are from rocks. The process of turning rock into soil...

(A) begins with “weathering” rock, where rock minerals (eg quartz or feldspar) have broken away from rock,
(B) and then over time, these rock minerals will degrade, turning rock minerals into clay minerals or silt minerals.​

Genesis is not very specific about the soil type, only that Adam’s creation is set somewhere in the Garden of Eden.

In the Qur’an, the soil is the last one, clay.

The story of Adam’s creation, in the Qur’an is entwined with the creation and fall of Iblis, the Islamic version of Satan/Devil.

26 And We did certainly create man out of clay from an altered black mud.

27 And the jinn We created before from scorching fire.

28 And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud.

29 And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration."

30 So the angels prostrated - all of them entirely,

31 Except Iblees, he refused to be with those who prostrated.

32 [ Allah ] said, O Iblees, what is [the matter] with you that you are not with those who prostrate?"

33 He said, "Never would I prostrate to a human whom You created out of clay from an altered black mud."He said, "Never would I prostrate to a human whom You created out of clay from an altered black mud."

34 [ Allah ] said, "Then get out of it, for indeed, you are expelled. [ Allah ] said, "Then get out of it, for indeed, you are expelled.

The passage in Qur’an 38:71-77, repeated the creation of man in similar but slightly in more detail about the fall of Iblis (Satan). So I won’t bother quoting this passage.

In Qur’an 55:14, we have god shaping the clay into man, like pottery”.

He created man from clay like [that of] pottery.

But in Qur’an 23:12-14, we have some more detail about another material (“sperm-drop”) to make, and how all these, were .

12 And certainly did We create man from an extract of clay.

13 Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.

14 Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah, the best of creators.

The questions are, how can it be possible to make a living, breathing man of silt or clay or vague “dust”?

If we break down human flesh and bones into their molecular structures, they are not the molecular structures of clay or silt. How do you account for the chemical compositions (of human anatomy and soil) being so different?

So what evidences that you have that man is made directly out of the earth (soil)?

It shouldn’t be possible to create man from soil, unless it is all “magic” and supernatural.

 

[Sunstone]

I'd say the best possible evidence for the creation of man about 6,000 years ago is that men are still here. If men had been around 250,000 years as evolutionary scientists believe, women would have strangled all of them to death by now for being so insufferable.

 

[shmogie]

This topic is not about evidences “FOR” or “AGAINST” evolution.

This topic is about creationists showing demonstrable evidences that man (Adam) can be created from the earth, as some scriptures say, like the Genesis 2 and Qur’ān 15, 23, 38 & 55.

According to Genesis is made out of dust from the earth.



As I understand it (verse), this “dust” would be “soil” of some types, which I had learned in my subjects on soil testing and foundation, in my days of studying civil engineering course, and “soil” could be of 3 basic types:

1. sand,
2. silt,
3. or clay.

Soil of these types have different chemical compounds and molecular structures of degraded rock minerals.

Before soil were made, the original source to soil are from rocks. The process of turning rock into soil...

(A) begins with “weathering” rock, where rock minerals (eg quartz or feldspar) have broken away from rock,
(B) and then over time, these rock minerals will degrade, turning rock minerals into clay minerals or silt minerals.​

Genesis is not very specific about the soil type, only that Adam’s creation is set somewhere in the Garden of Eden.

In the Qur’an, the soil is the last one, clay.

The story of Adam’s creation, in the Qur’an is entwined with the creation and fall of Iblis, the Islamic version of Satan/Devil.



The passage in Qur’an 38:71-77, repeated the creation of man in similar but slightly in more detail about the fall of Iblis (Satan). So I won’t bother quoting this passage.

In Qur’an 55:14, we have god shaping the clay into man, like pottery”.



But in Qur’an 23:12-14, we have some more detail about another material (“sperm-drop”) to make, and how all these, were .



The questions are, how can it be possible to make a living, breathing man of silt or clay or vague “dust”?

If we break down human flesh and bones into their molecular structures, they are not the molecular structures of clay or silt. How do you account for the chemical compositions (of human anatomy and soil) being so different?

So what evidences that you have that man is made directly out of the earth (soil)?

It shouldn’t be possible to create man from soil, unless it is all “magic” and supernatural.

Interesting. What evidence is there that anything living spontaneously generated itself from dirty water ?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Interesting. What evidence is there that anything living spontaneously generated itself from dirty water ?

Do you really want to concede the argument so soon? Moving the goal posts is a sign of surrender. The theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis and even if we move the goal posts there you need evidence that it was magic.

 

[Trackdayguy]

Interesting. What evidence is there that anything living spontaneously generated itself from dirty water ?

NONE. In the end people believe whatever they want, It makes no difference to me what people believe.

 

[Sunstone]

Interesting. What evidence is there that anything living spontaneously generated itself from dirty water ?

Off topic.

 

[Subduction Zone]

NONE. In the end people believe whatever they want, It makes no difference to me what people believe.

Actually that is not correct. But then that is a subject for another thread.

 

[shmogie]

Off topic.

Ya think ? Why is that ? The answer to the OP is simple, God can make whatever he chooses out of whatever he chooses, Itś called omnipotence.

I´ll answer my own question. There is no evidence abiogenesis.

All questions answered.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ya think ? Why is that ? The answer to the OP is simple, God can make whatever he chooses out of whatever he chooses, Itś called omnipotence.

I´ll answer my own question. There is no evidence abiogenesis.

All questions answered.

Of course you are wrong. But then creationists tend to not understand the concept of evidence.

 

[shmogie]

Of course you are wrong. But then creationists tend to not understand the concept of evidence.

NO EVIDENCE FOR ABIOGENESIS, Iĺl happily debate you on this, lets go. Show me your evidence

 

[Sunstone]

Ya think ? Why is that ?

Why? Basic reading comprehension. Observe:

This topic is not about evidences “FOR” or “AGAINST” evolution.

If you persist, you might get reported for being off topic. Just a warning.

 

[Subduction Zone]

NO EVIDENCE FOR ABIOGENESIS, Iĺl happily debate you on this, lets go. Show me your evidence

Not on this thread. And first you would have to demonstrate that you understand the concept of evidence.

 

[Trackdayguy]

You might wanna re think calling people wrong, Dont we have enough strife.

 

[shmogie]

Why? Basic reading comprehension.
OBSERVE; all the evolutionists here tell me abiogenesis has NOTHING to do with evolution.

Since the point was apparently too deep, allow me to simplify, IF the atheist creation contends our ultimate ancestors were rocks, why be so puzzled by God using the same material ?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You might wanna re think calling people wrong, Dont we have enough strife.

Then I suggest sticking to the topic of the thread.

I know it must be embarrassing not to be able to find any evidence for your beliefs, but honesty is the best policy.

 

[Subduction Zone]

@shmogie, many Christians accept the fact of evolution too. Your use of the quote function appears to be a bit faulty too.

 

[Sunstone]

Since the point was apparently too deep, allow me to simplify, IF the atheist creation contends our ultimate ancestors were rocks, why be so puzzled by God using the same material ?

I think you're being disingenuous. I went back and looked at all your posts so far. Doesn't seem to me you were implying the question you state here.

Beyond that, you're still off topic, in my view, even with your new question.

 

[shmogie]

@shmogie, many Christians accept the fact of evolution too. Your use of the quote function appears to be a bit faulty too.

Yep, there are old earthers as well as young earthers. Better google them so you can pretend you knew about them all along.

 

[shmogie]

I think you're being disingenuous. I went back and looked at all your posts so far. Doesn't seem to me you were implying the question you state here.

Beyond that, you're still off topic, in my view, even with your new question.

That was exactly the point. The OP made an issue of evidence, I simply pointed out there is no evidence for mud in the primary atheist creation of humanity either.

 

[Sunstone]

That was exactly the point. The OP made an issue of evidence, I simply pointed out there is no evidence for mud in the primary atheist creation of humanity either.

But that is not logically evidence for creationism. The thread title and OP explicitly request evidence for creationism.