These Students will change US gun landscape

[Saint Frankenstein]

People are easily manipulated into giving up their rights and doing things that are not in their own best interests. And since when do we let children and adolescents tell us how to run the country? And if we were so naive and foolish as to let children tell us how to run this country then why is the MSM silent on all the children who do not think gun control is such a good idea?

Why shouldn't we listen to people regardless of age? Young people can have very useful insights to add. After all, gun violence obviously effects children and teenagers. That's kind of what spurred the movement to start in the first place.

There's no organized pro-gun youth movement so of course they aren't going to be getting the same amount of coverage.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I am guessing that you have not lived in areas with people who break into homes or hijack cars.

Not that I've ever needed a gun to deal with, no. I doubt you do either.

 

[Audie]

Trebuchets? Lightsabres? Photon torpedoes?

I dont think that it helps anyone ro offer silly strawmen as arguments.

You might instead reflect a bit, that is, if preventing more killings is of actual concern

The topic of devices for mass murder is very distasteful, and I will not
offer any ideas. Google has more than enough, I am sure.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Trebuchets? Lightsabres? Photon torpedoes?

I actually know a guy with a trebuchet. They're impressive, but not really suited for causing mass casualties outside siege conditions.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I have been in the home security business for over thirty years. I have seen the results of home invasions, break-ins, and attempts at both. It's not pretty or neat; it's very frightening. Usually there is no time to escape (there is hardly any warning) and the people that have no fear of breaking into your home (especially if you're there) have absolutely no fear of hurting you. Your best defense is a very visible and often advertised offense. If these kids think anything they do or say is going to change the criminal or mentally unstable mindset that is rampant in our society, then they are in for a rude awakening.

Ah, back to the random evil doer breaking in with the intent to do harm trope.

 

[Audie]

I have been in the home security business for over thirty years. I have seen the results of home invasions, break-ins, and attempts at both. It's not pretty or neat; it's very frightening. Usually there is no time to escape (there is hardly any warning) and the people that have no fear of breaking into your home (especially if you're there) have absolutely no fear of hurting you. Your best defense is a very visible and often advertised offense. If these kids think anything they do or say is going to change the criminal or mentally unstable mindset that is rampant in our society, then they are in for a rude awakening.

I had my very rude awakening from any illusion that it cant happen to me.

I cant believe people who talk psranoid fantasy. It is no fantasy, and if you live,
you will never ever get over it and be the same.

 

[Audie]

Yeah, sarcasm. We regulated guns better and haven't had a mass shooting since, and the crazies just stay frustrated.

Why do you feel the need to be sarcastic with me?
I've not been rude to you.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Why do you feel the need to be sarcastic with me?
I've not been rude to you.

When you make a silly slippery slope argument, how would you prefer I respond to it?

 

[Augustus]

I dont think that it helps anyone ro offer silly strawmen as arguments.

Satire =/= stawman

You might instead reflect a bit, that is, if preventing more killings is of actual concern

The topic of devices for mass murder is very distasteful, and I will not
offer any ideas. Google has more than enough, I am sure.

Most people just can't be arsed to spend 3 months learning how to make bombs that may or may not work and may or may not blow up in their face.

And it's not like everyone in Europe is manufacturing ricin just because it's harder to get guns.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I had my very rude awakening from any illusion that it cant happen to me.

I cant believe people who talk psranoid fantasy. It is no fantasy, and if you live,
you will never ever get over it and be the same.

Does your experience count for more than people who've been harmed by firearms in ways that could have been prevented with better regulation?

 

[Mindmaster]

The time when NRA lobby and paranoid gun owners blocked stricter gun ownership laws is ending. The path is simple. Reducing gun crimes from legally owned guns to zero and making the state accountable for every life destroyed by a gun the state legally allowed the criminal to possess.

Nah, they won't.

The generation coming after these whiners is nearly 100% conservative & libertarian. Most of them will be 18 by the next major elections. Besides, there are plenty of gun free countries to go live in - have at it, no need to ruin this one.

 

[Mindmaster]

Why shouldn't we listen to people regardless of age? Young people can have very useful insights to add. After all, gun violence obviously effects children and teenagers. That's kind of what spurred the movement to start in the first place.

There's no organized pro-gun youth movement so of course they aren't going to be getting the same amount of coverage.

Because they're eating tide pods and licking toilets that they wrote F Trump on?

 

[Audie]

Satire =/= stawman



Most people just can't be arsed to spend 3 months learning how to make bombs that may or may not work and may or may not blow up in their face.

And it's not like everyone in Europe is manufacturing ricin just because it's harder to get guns.

More sarcastic nonsense.

There is no need at all to go to such lengths as you describe, but as before I wont
make suggestions, and you seem uninterested in giving it even a moment's thought.

When you make a silly slippery slope argument, how would you prefer I respond to it?

I prefer a reasoned sensible response or none, svp.
You seem disinclined to the former, so I'd prefer the latter.

 

[Revoltingest]

See Nous' thread about how guns statistically don't make a home safer. It's already been gone through a myriad of times.

The reasoning associated with the statistics has been lacking.
Certainly, there are some people who are so irresponsible that
gun ownership is a detriment. But it's fallacious to apply this to
the entire gun owning population.
Statistical evidence against a net benefit for appropriate gun
ownership is lacking. While evidence for armed self defense
is strong, ranging from a low of 65,000 times/year (government
statistic) to over a million (Gary Kleck).

Some things are clear, regardless of the statistical argument made.....
- More secure storage as a minimum standard is needed.
- More training of the appropriate type is needed by many.
- Places advertised as "gun free" need security increased in order to protect
the defenseless within.
- Law enforcement needs to create a comprehensive & dedicated system to
deal with potential & actual attacks.
- In a free society, mental health services are a necessary offering because
a deranged indivicual poses a greater threat than in a highly controlled society.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Seemed relevant; A 4-year-old boy has shot a 7-month-old baby in Texas

 

[Curious George]

Not that I've ever needed a gun to deal with, no. I doubt you do either.

Well, then this might explain your lack of understanding. I will agree most one doesn't need a gun. But there are many in which it is really helpful and some in which it is necessary.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Well, then this might explain your lack of understanding. I will agree most one doesn't need a gun. But there are many in which it is really helpful and some in which it is necessary.

like where?

 

[Curious George]

We can do both, you know. It's not an either or thing. I'm all for facilitating access to quality education for all, equal access to healthcare for all and economic justice. I'm also all for gun control and even banning guns (with limited exceptions).

Except we are divided over guns. I am not saying that people who do not believe in limiting or banning guns shouldn't bother. I fully support their political activity. Yet, I stand against them on gun control. I will never support a ban, and I am reluctant to support and I generally do not support any federal gun regulation.

 

[Curious George]

like where?

Where is it helpful? When someone hops into your car with a knife or a gun. When someone comes into your house and tries to rape you. When someone opens fire at you. When the police aren't going to get there anytime soon and someone wants to do some grievous bodily harm to you, when the guy downstairs is beating his wife bloody. Either you can understand what it is like to live in a neighborhood where this stuff happens often or you cannot.

If the police are not going to be responsible, then do not take away someone's ability to choose how they defend themselves or others.

 

[BSM1]

See Nous' thread about how guns statistically don't make a home safer. It's already been gone through a myriad of times.

Mine's safer, thank you very much. In all fairness, I have advised many of my clients not to purchase a firearm for one simple reason--they weren't ready to take another human life even in protecting their own. As harsh as this sounds, if you hesitate, you die. And you may very well die. That's the world we live in and no amount of legislation is going to change it.