A: This is how you deal with Trump Supporters

[PureX]

Sounds like a good excuse to avoid discussing issues with people who disagree.
If I avoided talking to "insanely intractable" posters on RF, my post count would plummet.
(People aren't as immutable as you think.)

I'm gonna avoid talking to you, now.

 

[Stanyon]

Put Trump on the stand, under oath, and start asking him embarrassing questions.
Then let things take their course.
How about that?
Tom

Okay... so what does that have to do with Bill Clinton perjuring himself and obstructing justice when asked questions about a sexual harassment lawsuit? You claimed that Republicans turned a BJ into an impeachable offense when that was clearly not the case.

 

[PureX]

That river flows many ways you know

Nope, just down. It always flows downward. Down the drain. Down the tubes. Down the sh****r and into the abyss. The river of stupid always flows into the lowest result.

 

[Stanyon]

Nope, just down. It always flows downward. Down the drain. Down the tubes. Down the sh****r. Down into the abyss. The river of stupid always flows to the lowest result.

Does that river of liquid poo only manifest itself when someone disagrees with your version of reality?

 

[columbus]

Okay...

Really?
You'd be Ok with putting Trump on the stand, under oath, and let Nancy Pelosi and Mueller ask him anything that they want to?

so what does that have to do with Bill Clinton perjuring himself and obstructing justice when asked questions about a sexual harassment lawsuit?

The hypocrisy of the people who support Trump. The ones who will support Trump no matter how much he lies, but think that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim because Trump says so. Including dismissing Trump's sexual indiscretions, which are many, varied, and well documented.

He even brags about them.

You claimed that Republicans turned a BJ into an impeachable offense when that was clearly not the case.

Yes it is. That's exactly what they did.

Monica Lewinsky just happened to keep the DNA evidence of the BJ. So it wound up being, literally, a Federal Case.
Let's put Trump on the stand and ask him questions about his Russian connections, and those of his family and top aides and appointments. Then we can get to his sleazeball sex life.
And business dealings.
And twitter account.
And hiring practices.

For starters.
Okay?
Tom

 

[Shad]

Put Trump on the stand, under oath, and start asking him embarrassing questions.
Then let things take their course.

How about that?
Tom

That is how Bill Clinton's impeachment started. Getting him to swear an oath to catch him in perjury

So tit for tat....

 

[Twilight Hue]

I have always been of the mind that it is better not to try to help the anti-Trumpeteers understand anything, let them wallow in their self pity, anger, and delusions. Like petulant children they are still screaming and crying about an election their chosen ones lost all by themselves even though much of the media assured them a victory. Unable to come to grips with this world shattering reality they cling to the only thing they have left, the false Russia narrative, a conspiracy theory that has been big on claims and very short on believable evidence. So what are they left with to salve their hurting souls besides petty attacks and unsubstantiated claims.

It's a reason why I don't vote for the left.

You continually hear all the talk about equality, tolerance, blah blah blah. When they lose, or cannot get their way, their true colors show all too well what type of people they are collectively. Petulant ingratiated, entitlement minded whiners and moaners. Then they blame the right for being like them when the tables get turned as justification for all the whining and moaning the left is doing now.

Go figure.

 

[columbus]

Then they blame the right for being like them when the tables get turned as justification for all the whining and moaning the left is doing now.

The difference being that Trump started his campaign with a big lie(I will release my tax returns before the election) and has continued that practice ever since.(Why did he fire Comey?)
The "right" make up lies about the President like he was born in Kenya and his health care plan is communist. The "left" point out lies from Trump that are well documented, potentially treasonous, and his supporters squeal "Innocent until proven guilty!"
Tom

 

[Twilight Hue]

The difference being that Trump started his campaign with a big lie(I will release my tax returns before the election) and has continued that practice ever since.(Why did he fire Comey?)
The "right" make up lies about the President like he was born in Kenya and his health care plan is communist. The "left" point out lies from Trump that are well documented, potentially treasonous, and his supporters squeal "Innocent until proven guilty!"
Tom

I always figured if that's the case no matter who, convict the rapscallion already and be done with it!

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

That river flows many ways you know

But only down hill.

 

[pearl]

It gets frustrating.

For those of us who remember Nixon its way more than frustrating. Trump has trampled over the rule of law for his own purposes. Now for no more reason than his own vanity Trump wants a military parade, and it better be larger than that of North Korea.

 

[columbus]

I always figured if that's the case no matter who, convict the rapscallion already and be done with it!

Unfortunately, the USA has a president who is accustomed to being above the law, obstructing justice, and has Capitol Hill behind him.
Convicting the rapscallion will be enormously damaging to the country.
And his supporters don't care.
Tom

 

[Twilight Hue]

For those of us who remember Nixon its way more than frustrating. Trump has trampled over the rule of law for his own purposes. Now for no more reason than his own vanity Trump wants a military parade, and it better be larger than that of North Korea.

If things are so clearly against the law then why isn't the law being employed?

Could it be Trump isn't breaking the law?

 

[Revoltingest]

If things are so clearly against the law then why isn't the law being employed?

Could it be Trump isn't breaking the law?

The law is grinding ahead.
We'll see where it leads.
But I'll tell ya one thing....it looks like a very messy partisan process.
Tis no wonder that too few politicians go to prison.

 

[Mindmaster]

It is clear to me that there is no effective way of responding to people who support Trump, and the insane, destructive desires that Trump represents.

Then it is clear, that you have absolutely no capacity to suspend your judgement or be reasonable - that reflects on you more than anything Trump is doing. Most of his ideas are very middle of the road, and things I've heard Democratic party members ask for in the past. I feel you are entitled to not like him personally, but policy/goal wise it's pretty ridiculous. Many of the things he is pursing are just things Dems themselves failed to implement in the past.

 

[Mindmaster]

Part of the virulence of the anti-Trump people is the huge hypocrisy of this statement.
Tom

I'm not defending anyone who employs these tactics or acts from a malicious angle. Trumpers are not immune to the temptation to be agents of evil, no more or less than others. However, the number of people using those tactics here from the left is disproportionate, hence the basis of my comments. It unlikely that the small pro-Trump population on this forum will resort to these, and that they are more likely to be more middle of the road or centrist because they are still interested in talking with and engaging people on the left. I don't excuse these tactics regardless of who, in fact, is using them. I also don't feel that because someone did it in the past, it's OK for the opposition to use it now. That's just lex talonis, eye for an eye, and that concept has worked so great in the past. We should work together to move past this, and try to at least understand one another whether we disagree or not, and give people the breadth to feel tolerated regardless.

 

[Mindmaster]

Don’t assume that just because someone disagrees with you and thinks you’re ignorant that they think you’re ignorant because they disagree with you.

I do not presume anything, the intolerance and bias against people who value some part of Trump's policy are all over these pages.

Not everyone; only the racists.

It’s true that Trump’s policies and platforms do have many racist elements. It’s also true that many racists - including actual Neo-Nazis - have been emboldened by Trump’s win, but this doesn’t mean that all of his supporters are racist. People can support him without being racists themselves. They’re not necessarily racist; they’re just people who don’t see racist policy planks as a deal-breaker.

Please state what part of Trump's policy indicates racism, because everything he's asked for: wall, immigration controls, and whatnot have been Democratic talking points for years in the past. They don't suddenly become racist because Trump said them... Other countries are implementing policies, and no one calls them racist. This is just bias, pure and simple, and doesn't reflect on any reality whatsoever. Thus again, the problem is in ones mind, not a reality, and not anything that a balanced person should rightly consider. We need immigration controls, we need protection at our borders, and we have a right to safety before the consideration of ANYONE outside of this country. That hasn't been done to an acceptable level, thus the perceptions of nearly half of the population that voted Trump. This isn't "racist" this is just being realistic with what the primary job of the government is. Namely, that job is to protect the citizens, as soon as it doesn't do that it isn't fulfilling its primary duty.

Styling those folks as neo-nazis, KKK supporters, or useful idiots is just demeaning and deceitful. The very fact that these words are even in the front of your mind illustrate exactly everything wrong with your way of thinking on this.

 

[Stanyon]

Monica Lewinsky just happened to keep the DNA evidence of the BJ. So it wound up being, literally, a Federal Case.

He was not convicted of receiving oral sex or flavouring his cigars in an unorthodox way.

 

[columbus]

He was not convicted of receiving oral sex or flavouring his cigars in an unorthodox way.

I believe I mentioned deflection in my first post in this thread.
This is a good example of it.

What do you think would happen if Trump were put on the stand, under oath, and grilled by folks like Mueller or Pelosi? Think Trump could tell the truth? I don't.
Tom

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Please state what part of Trump's policy indicates racism, because everything he's asked for: wall, immigration controls, and whatnot have been Democratic talking points for years in the past. They don't suddenly become racist because Trump said them...

I question your assumptions here, but what Trump has been doing is racist regardless of who does it.

Other countries are implementing policies, and no one calls them racist.

Let’s check that: you name another country that has tried to ban Muslim immigration and we’ll see how their policy has been described.

This is just bias, pure and simple, and doesn't reflect on any reality whatsoever. Thus again, the problem is in ones mind, not a reality, and not anything that a balanced person should rightly consider. We need immigration controls, we need protection at our borders, and we have a right to safety before the consideration of ANYONE outside of this country. That hasn't been done to an acceptable level, thus the perceptions of nearly half of the population that voted Trump. This isn't "racist" this is just being realistic with what the primary job of the government is.

No, that is racist. Really.

Namely, that job is to protect the citizens, as soon as it doesn't do that it isn't fulfilling its primary duty.

“Protect” citizens... from the races you think are more violent, criminal, etc.?

Styling those folks as neo-nazis, KKK supporters, or useful idiots is just demeaning and deceitful. The very fact that these words are even in the front of your mind illustrate exactly everything wrong with your way of thinking on this.

It’s not just “styling” them this way.

We have Trump describing white supremacists as “fine people.” we have Steve Bannon, Sebastian Gorka, and Stephen Miller as White House advisors. We have a literal neo-Nazi - the former president of the American Nazi Party - running as a Republican candidate.

Certainly not all Republicans are racists, but the GOP seems to be the go-to party for racists.

And pointing out that you have ACTUAL Neo-Nazis in your party isn’t any sort of attempt to demean or deceive; it’s pointing out a literal fact.