Spiderman
Veteran Member
I'd like to debate Christians on whether or not Catholics are idolaters. If you are a Christian who believes Catholics are idolaters, please debate me on that.
It's true I pray to Mother Mary, and I find the rosary and her intercession , maternal nurturing, and friendship to be very healing.... But the Catholic Church forbids people to give the Adoration that belongs to God, to anything less than God.
The catechism forbids idolatry.
I don't see it as idolatrous for me to ask Mother Mary for help, any more than it is idolatrous to seek a doctor for help... Neglecting the rosary for me, and saying I only need God Alone, is like a diabetic neglecting their insulin , because insulin is not God.
In the Old Testament, the Israelites had to turn to a Graven serpent for healing. If the Israelites all decided, we don't need this Brazen serpent, we only need God, they would have died.
Mother Mary, like the Brazen serpent, is less than God, but someone like the Ark of the Covenant, where God dwells, and God heals me through. The Catholic Church calls Mary the Ark of the New Covenant, Dwelling Place of God.
Paul said, it is no longer I who live but Christ, Mary can say the same thing.
I tried to give up Marian devotion and the rosary, and the consequences were disastrous... I receive far more Grace from God when I'm praying the rosary than any other devotion. It's kind of embarrassing to say that, cuz I cannot explain why a devotion so simple would be so incredibly important, but nothing could be more true. It doesn't make sense to me, but I've experienced the truth behind that statement.
I needed a mother, so Christ gave me his mother, and I cannot thank him enough. Now show me how that is idolatry. I don't consider her a deity or equal to God.
Keep in mind, that how God does not work at one time in history, he later will work at another time in history.
God is not bound by any rules. And God can make exceptions to any rule. God said Thou shalt not make a Graven image, and later commanded his people to make graven images. God said Thou shalt not murder, and then ordered the Israelites to kill women, children, and babies who are without sin. Sounds like murder to me. God can do as he pleases.
God chooses to give me much grace through the Rosary. Many Christians consider this Pagan and satanic. Please do explain that premise if you see eye-to-eye with it. Thanks
It's true I pray to Mother Mary, and I find the rosary and her intercession , maternal nurturing, and friendship to be very healing.... But the Catholic Church forbids people to give the Adoration that belongs to God, to anything less than God.
The catechism forbids idolatry.
I don't see it as idolatrous for me to ask Mother Mary for help, any more than it is idolatrous to seek a doctor for help... Neglecting the rosary for me, and saying I only need God Alone, is like a diabetic neglecting their insulin , because insulin is not God.
In the Old Testament, the Israelites had to turn to a Graven serpent for healing. If the Israelites all decided, we don't need this Brazen serpent, we only need God, they would have died.
Mother Mary, like the Brazen serpent, is less than God, but someone like the Ark of the Covenant, where God dwells, and God heals me through. The Catholic Church calls Mary the Ark of the New Covenant, Dwelling Place of God.
Paul said, it is no longer I who live but Christ, Mary can say the same thing.
I tried to give up Marian devotion and the rosary, and the consequences were disastrous... I receive far more Grace from God when I'm praying the rosary than any other devotion. It's kind of embarrassing to say that, cuz I cannot explain why a devotion so simple would be so incredibly important, but nothing could be more true. It doesn't make sense to me, but I've experienced the truth behind that statement.
I needed a mother, so Christ gave me his mother, and I cannot thank him enough. Now show me how that is idolatry. I don't consider her a deity or equal to God.
Keep in mind, that how God does not work at one time in history, he later will work at another time in history.
God is not bound by any rules. And God can make exceptions to any rule. God said Thou shalt not make a Graven image, and later commanded his people to make graven images. God said Thou shalt not murder, and then ordered the Israelites to kill women, children, and babies who are without sin. Sounds like murder to me. God can do as he pleases.
God chooses to give me much grace through the Rosary. Many Christians consider this Pagan and satanic. Please do explain that premise if you see eye-to-eye with it. Thanks