Let’s talk about the Bible

[savagewind]

You can play with the words all you like, it doesn't change the fact that it is YOUR understanding that Proverbs 3:5 is WRONG, right? Or, can you also work on a gasoline engine just by SEEING it, without UNDERSTANDING how it works?




You are reporting, YOUR understanding of what the Bible actually is warning!

Alright. Why don't you answer the question? On whose understanding is it right to lean on?
Not mine. I understand and agree. Whose? The word own begs the question WHO?

 

[metis]

Except that they have all three showing up individually, at the same time. Thus not ONE.

Different "manifestations", hypothetically at least, can do that [even though I personally don't believe in them]. The Catholic view of the Trinity at least does recognize the differences but believe that they're an integral part of the One. Hinduism teaches much the same with their belief in the many manifestations of Brahman.

And Jesus wasn't praying to himself.

See above.

 

[metis]

Perhaps one of our Jewish members will give us their translation?

It's very similar to the traditional Jewish teachings, such as those from Nachman of Braslav and Maimonides, that one simply cannot understand God cognitively because He's beyond our ability to comprehend His nature, but we can seek God with our heart and emotionally connect with Him.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The Bible is reporting what some people believe to be right and people lean on it.

I am reporting that the Bible actually is warning those people not to do that.

Let me get this straight, you claim that the Bible, which is the word of God, the LORD, Whom we are to trust in with all our heart says something that we believe to be right and lean on is warning us NOT to lean on the word of God?

Who's understanding are you leaning on to claim that? Answer that question, and then answer your own question.

On whose understanding is it right to lean on?

 

[Jontehs]

I really wish that you would stop posing as a Tanakh expert. It's unseemly.

As for the Christian Trinity, see, for example, Wikipedia: ****uf ...

Which Wikipedia page ? because it seems to be censored

 

[djhwoodwerks]

On whose understanding is it right to lean on?

John 2:1 (ESV Strong's) 1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.

Do you understand the above verse? If so, who's understanding are you leaning/trusting on/in?

 

[savagewind]

Let me get this straight, you claim that the Bible, which is the word of God, the LORD, Whom we are to trust in with all our heart says something that we believe to be right and lean on is warning us NOT to lean on the word of God?

Who's understanding are you leaning on to claim that? Answer that question, and then answer your own question.

God didn't write the Bible. You know that! I can suggest that only the ten commandments are what God actually wrote. I am in perplexity about how you seem to not be able to understand that it is leaning that is being warned about in Proverbs 3:5.

Anyway, God didn't say "own" there! Even if the words are God's words. It was added. LOL LOL LOL Stop tickling me!

 

[savagewind]

John 2:1 (ESV Strong's) 1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.

Do you understand the above verse? If so, who's understanding are you leaning/trusting on/in?

I think you are using the word understand to mean hear. That is not what it means.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I am in perplexity about how you seem to not be able to understand that it is leaning that is being warned about in Proverbs 3:5.

I am perplexed that you are "reporting" that the Bible warns us about leaning on understanding, and at the same time you are trusting in your own understanding that the Bible is warning us not to trust in understanding. Kind of ironic, isn't it? You trusting your understanding that the Bible is warning us not to trust understanding.

 

[savagewind]

I am perplexed that you are "reporting" that the Bible warns us about leaning on understanding, and at the same time you are trusting in your own understanding that the Bible is warning us not to trust in understanding. Kind of ironic, isn't it? You trusting your understanding that the Bible is warning us not to trust understanding.

I think you are serious.

On understanding do not lean.

On your own understanding do not lean.

What is written "do not" do?

I think understanding does not come into play here.
It is only simple reading ability.

 

[savagewind]

To read and to understand are different. Math 101 Haha

Reading does not equal understanding.
reading ≠ understanding

I am not adding meaning to Proverbs 3:5 YOU are!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I can suggest that only the ten commandments are what God actually wrote.

How can you suggest that? All you have is the Bible, that God didn't write, saying that God wrote the 10 commandments. Have you seen the actual stone tablets God wrote on, or just man made drawings? How do you know you can trust the people that translated the Old Testament? According to you, God didn't control what they wrote.

God didn't write the Bible. You know that!

That comment right there is where Proverbs 3:5 applies!! You trust your understanding that some of the Bible is right, and some of the Bible is wrong.

 

[savagewind]

I am beginning to know why people put people on ignore.

 

[savagewind]

That comment right there is where Proverbs 3:5 applies!! You trust your understanding that some of the Bible is right, and some of the Bible is wrong.

True.

I am not leaning on it. I don't have faith in my ability. I don't teach it. I don't insist upon it. By the way, you appear to be insisting on it.
I don't do that! I really don't.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I think you are serious.

On understanding do not lean.

On your own understanding do not lean.

What is written "do not" do?

I think understanding does not come into play here.
It is only simple reading ability.

Really!?!?

Proverbs 3:5 (ESV Strong's) 5 and do not lean on your own understanding.

That is all you see that verse saying?

I think understanding does not come into play here.

Lol, I think you're right!!

 

[savagewind]

Really!?!?

Proverbs 3:5 (ESV Strong's) 5 and do not lean on your own understanding.

That is all you see that verse saying?




Lol, I think you're right!!

Compare it to the rest of the Bible. It is written elsewhere that understanding is something to be sought after. BUT if you are found leaning, you are not seeking. Leaning is about resting on what you believe you already know.

So, no. The answer to "is it all the verse is saying?", is no.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

True.

I am not leaning on it. I don't have faith in my ability. I don't teach it. I don't insist upon it. By the way, you appear to be insisting on it.
I don't do that! I really don't.

You do know that "lean on" actually means, "trust in", "rely on", don't you?

And you say you're not "trusting in" your understanding?

I don't have faith in my ability.

In who's ability are you on this forum, making all these claims that the Bible is wrong on what you're claiming is wrong?

By the way, you appear to be insisting on it.
I don't do that! I really don't.

Come on sw, go back and read your posts, you're not INSISTING that Proverbs 3:5 isn't right? That the word OWN was added to mislead people? That the focus of that verse is on "do not" and not "do not trust in your own understanding"? If you're not INSISTING you're right, why are you debating it?

 

[savagewind]

You do know that "lean on" actually means, "trust in", "rely on", don't you? And you say you're not "trusting in" your understanding?

Why, as a professed Christian, would I rely on myself?

In who's ability are you on this forum, making all these claims that the Bible is wrong on what you're claiming is wrong?

I think Jesus. I think you might agree with me that Jesus is able?

Come on sw, go back and read your posts, you're not INSISTING that Proverbs 3:5 isn't right? That the word OWN was added to mislead people? That the focus of that verse is on "do not" and not "do not trust in your own understanding"? If you're not INSISTING you're right, why are you debating it?

I can see where the text comes from. I shared it. Why are you asking me?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Leaning is about resting on what you believe you already know.

And you're not "resting on" your understanding that the Bible warns against "resting on" understanding?

 

[savagewind]

And you're not "resting on" your understanding that the Bible warns against "resting on" understanding?

I told you! You are perfectly welcome to convince me otherwise. I do not know why you won't.