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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Vee, Nov 1, 2017.

  1. djhwoodwerks

    djhwoodwerks Well-Known Member

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    The Bible isn't a good thing from God then? Because God made the writing of the Bible possible, but didn't hang around to make sure it was written correctly?
     
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    The JW teachers have uncovered many truths through the years. I will listen to them.
     
  3. savagewind

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    I hope it is true that something need not be perfect to be good.
     
  4. savagewind

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    I wonder if I should write them a letter? I did once saying that the rider at Revelation 6:2 is not Jesus, but they have ignored me. I think it is a waste of time, more so than here, to tell them anything. Some of their people, or all of them, say that nothing true can be known except if it comes from their governing body.
     
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    And that from men that keep getting it wrong and have to make "corrections"!
     
  6. savagewind

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    God knows how Moses knew anything!
     
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    I'd rather not derail thread theme by responding to skepticism and questions about the Trinity. If you do have questions I suggest reading the thread "The Bible Declare Jesus is God" which was authored by @Rick B.

    If you have questions about the Trinity I'd be happy to take them there. Be forewarned though...I lean heavily on scripture to which I believe the New Testament is part. I see little point discussing Trinitarianism without an embrace of scriptural veracity.
     
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    Everyone is entitle to their opinion KJW, just not their own facts. I'd be extremely interested in where you got this "fact" from and so wouldn't millions of other Protestants the world over.

    Would that include the "truth" about who translates our bibles?

    And what do you mean “He will accept no less”?? Doesn’t your Organization teach that God accepted your Organization in 1919 "errors" and all? Were His standards a little lower then?

    Let me see if I have this right:


    God requires one to know truth from erroneous teachers who make corrections. They make corrections because they consistently make errors (for which there is no excuse), so they make more corrections because God requires us to know the truth.


    If that is not an exercise in circular logic, I don’t know what is.


    Lastly Dan 12:4 says knowledge, not truth, will increase in the last days:


    "But you, Daniel, close up these words and seal the book until the time of the end. Many will dash about, and knowledge will increase.


    Daniel was told to seal the scroll but apparently your Governing Board found it, read the contents, corrected any errors, translated it and have now divulged the scrolls contents within the Watchtower magazine.

    Do you know where they found the scroll, where they keep the scroll, how long they’ve had the scroll and why they haven’t published a copy? Or do the folks in your Organization consider it impolite to ask?
     
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    If the Catholics inserted “errors” then it wasn’t well preserved. If it was well preserved then the Catholics didn’t insert errors. Perhaps @Vee and @KJW can get together and let us know which version is correct, and when their Organization found the scroll sealed by Daniel.
     
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    She didn't answer allowing KJW to respond instead.

    This leads me to believe I hit the nail on the head.

    In any event, KJW claims their Governing Board is distributing abundant or increased "knowledge" in accordance with Daniel 12:4 so I'd like to know when and where they found the scroll, who in the Organization found it, if the scroll was found well preserved, where are they keeping it, how it was unsealed, who is doing the translating, and how the Watchtower has managed to keep the scroll's discovery a secret for so long.
     
  12. Vee

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    Given what I've read in different translations, even if some Bible copyists weren't as meticulous as they should have been, the fundamental basis of the bible have remained the same. And since today there are so many ancients text available, anything that wasn't translated with the highest quality can be fixed. I don't believe the Bible has been corrupted.
     
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  13. savagewind

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    Then, I think I can say of you that you do not have the faith that this is the truth.
    9 A little leaven ferments the whole batch of dough.+
    Galatians 5:9
     
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    It is what I call math.

    All scripture is holy.
    Some of it contains scribal error.
    A little leaven ferments the whole

    IF indeed there are in it manmade errors that need fixing it can't possibly be holy and also
    Galatians 5:9 be true.

    The Bible can't truly be considered holy WITH any errors and also Galatians 5:9 be true.

    Can the Bible be considered holy even though some of it was changed? Maybe, I do not know!

    Can the Bible be considered holy with its mistakes and also* Galatians 5:9 be true?

    *that's the math

    The right and true answer is NO!

    They can't both be true.
     
  15. savagewind

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    @Vee Do you want to know which one that I think is true.
    I believe Galatians 5:9.
    That means I can't believe that the Bible is God's Word.
    The reason is I have seen the errors. Jehovah's Witnesses have too.
    They haven't seen the same ones which I have seen, but they say they discovered and corrected
    a very serious mistake. John 1:1.

    Right?

    While John 1:1 was wrong it had to have caused the whole lump to be with fermentation which means it couldn't have been holy.
     
  16. Oeste

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    If it were simply an issue of best translation, that would be fine. But your Organization goes beyond translation and attacks the integrity of the bible itself when they claim the Divine Name was removed from thousands of NT manuscripts.

    If the Divine Name were successfully removed it would be an egregious corruption of the text. Not only would we not know what was removed, we would have no idea what else was removed, omitted or added. It would also be a great mystery, since it would have required all NT manuscripts to be rounded up, each and every Tetragrammaton replaced with Kurios, and then redistributed back without any record or trace the manuscript had been altered.
     
  17. Jayhawker Soule

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    (These threads are always so predictable. :D)
     
  18. savagewind

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    Groan.

    Truly the title of the thread by someone "in the truth" should be, "let me tell you about the Bible".
     
  19. djhwoodwerks

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    With your reasoning, the Bible, that God allowed error in, is not Holy and therefore worthless.
     
  20. djhwoodwerks

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    Then why do you bother reading and quoting it? It's worthless if it's not the Holy word of God. We should just throw it in the trash.
     
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