Confederate Statue pulled down by Protesters, Durham, North Carolina

[lewisnotmiller]

We're still talking about using violence to make an ideological statement.

Sure, although I think you do more harm than good by false equivalencies. That's just my opinion, obviously.

I am no "Son of the Confederacy" and don't have a problem with it's removal to some garden of shame.

Understood. I'm not assuming anything about anyone apart from what they're actually saying. I can see why people are against this, quite apart from their personal opinion about the Confederacy.

It's the premise that such behaviour as destroying it is justified by someone's opinion that I can't get behind.
Tom

Fair enough.

 

[Stanyon]

Outside Durham County Courthouse, North Carolina, Protesters pulled down a statue of a Confederate Soldier dedicated to the Confederate States of America. Durham police later said they monitored the protests to make sure they were “safe,” but did not interfere with the statue toppling because it happened on county property.

Links here:

Protesters pull down Confederate statue at old Durham County courthouse

SEE IT: Crowd pulls down Confederate statue in North Carolina

Thoughts?

They had plans to remove it anyway so my first thought was how much did they save the city in pulling it down for free instead of paying two city workers to take it down and clean up while five other city workers stand around leaning on shovels and brooms watching them, on the other side this is a perfect example of cultural marxism in action.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I was unclear.
I referred to your post, not to you personally.
Such a fine upstanding Scot would know it, even if it went unsaid.

Aye, I did understand what you meant.

Aye, beware backlashes.

Sorry, I edited my post while you were replying to it, no doubt.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sorry, I edited my post while you were replying to it....

Stealing from me bag'o tricks, eh!

 

[suncowiam]

I would have taken down my neighbor's huge satellite dish, because it ruined a good scenic view of the nearby hills.

I guess all I have to do is put on a black mask and rationalize my actions.

 

[Nakosis]

Support for slavery in the South was based on religion and the Bible.

What were their arguments? The Presbyterian theologian Robert Lewis Dabney reminded his fellow Southern clergymen that the Bible was the best way to explain slavery to the masses. “We must go before the nation with the Bible as the text, and ‘thus sayeth the lord’ as the answer,” he wrote. “We know that on the Bible argument the abolition party will be driven to unveil their true infidel tendencies. The Bible being bound to stand on our side, they have to come out and array themselves against the Bible.”

Reverend Furman of South Carolina insisted that the right to hold slaves was clearly sanctioned by the Holy Scriptures. He emphasized a practical side as well, warning that if Lincoln were elected, “every Negro in South Carolina and every other Southern state will be his own master; nay, more than that, will be the equal of every one of you. If you are tame enough to submit, abolition preachers will be at hand to consummate the marriage of your daughters to black husbands.”

A fellow reverend from Virginia agreed that on no other subject “are [the Bible’s] instructions more explicit, or their salutary tendency and influence more thoroughly tested and corroborated by experience than on the subject of slavery.” The Methodist Episcopal Church, South, asserted that slavery “has received the sanction of Jehova.” As a South Carolina Presbyterian concluded: “If the scriptures do not justify slavery, I know not what they do justify.”

Why Non-Slaveholding Southerners Fought | Civil War Trust

I'm not suggesting anything from this other than Confederate soldiers were convinced by their religious leadership their cause was a righteous one.

They were victims of religious ideology used to justify slavery.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Now, if local gov had removed & preserved the statues, this would at least
be a reversible decision.

Reversible... and probably illegal:

The bill passed the House Tuesday and would ban state agencies and local governments from taking down any “object of remembrance” on public property that “commemorates an event, a person, or military service that is part of North Carolina’s history.”

That would mean a state law would be needed to remove a monument or relocate one to a site that’s not of “similar prominence.”

McCrory signs ban on removing historical monuments | News & Observer

 

[Nakosis]

In the Civil Rights Movement of the 60's, many of us who participated in such things as sit-ins pled nolo contendere, i.e., we acknowledged our actions as civil disobedience and accepted the consequences.

A sit in.

By all means lets bring back sit ins.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Support for slavery in the South was based on religion and the Bible.

And the Civil Rights Movement was very much instilled with and propelled by the religious spirit of Gandhi, King, and Heschel. Therefore?

 

[David1967]

I'd prefer adding a display to the statue,
one which educates with context.

Wait just a minute there buddy. That would make sense. And so far there hasn't been much room for that in this mess.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Outside Durham County Courthouse, North Carolina, Protesters pulled down a statue of a Confederate Soldier dedicated to the Confederate States of America. Durham police later said they monitored the protests to make sure they were “safe,” but did not interfere with the statue toppling because it happened on county property.

Links here:

Protesters pull down Confederate statue at old Durham County courthouse

SEE IT: Crowd pulls down Confederate statue in North Carolina

Thoughts?

Destruction of public property. Way to go in saying it's ok to break the laws if it suits your cause.

 

[columbus]

And the Civil Rights Movement was very much instilled with and propelled by the religious spirit of Gandhi, King, and Heschel. Therefore?

Apparently that means that mobs pulling down statues of Martin Luther King Jr wouldn't be considered violence.
Tom

 

[DavidFirth]

I would have taken down my neighbor's huge satellite dish, because it ruined a good scenic view of the nearby hills.

I guess all I have to do is put on a black mask and rationalize my actions.

Satellite brings in porn. Yeah, knock that dish out!

 

[Revoltingest]

Reversible... and probably illegal:
McCrory signs ban on removing historical monuments | News & Observer

The ease of removal will vary with location.
Nonetheless, government can decide what stays & what goes.

 

[Nakosis]

It might be worth wondering who decided to put up the statues in the first place, and what level of discourse was entered into.

Regardless, there have been moments in history where people took steps to change things, despite the law. In the majority of cases, that is misguided and harmful to society. Occasionally, it proves to be a necessary fulcrum for change.

Yes, there are ways to accomplish this peacefully. If one side starts to justify the destruction of property what's to stop the other side from doing the same?

Both the American War of Independence and the Civil War were examples of this on a grand scale.

Which resulted in a lot of death and destruction.

For me, personally, I favor discourse.

This article was written loosely regarding the statue (and others) when it was still standing...

Readers Defend Confederate Monuments

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The ease of removal will vary with location.
Nonetheless, government can decide what stays & what goes.

In North Carolina, the state government decides. And it has decided that all of the monuments stay.

 

[David1967]

They were victims of religious ideology used to justify slavery

And use of any religion to justify oppression of anyone is always wrong.

 

[Revoltingest]

Wait just a minute there buddy. That would make sense. And so far there hasn't been much room for that in this mess.

When it's all good v evil, nuance tends to flee.

 

[Revoltingest]

In North Carolina, the state government decides. And it has decided that all of the monuments stay.

There you go.

 

[suncowiam]

Satellite brings in porn. Yeah, knock that dish out!

You're living in the stone age man.

Internet is all I need.