Skwim
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Nah, you're thinking of creationism.Science starts in the present with a desired ending.
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Nah, you're thinking of creationism.Science starts in the present with a desired ending.
What you have mentioned above are all observable and measurable by a scientific method, but your deity isn't. And won't show up.
Basic problem is that there is unambiguous evidence that the age of the earth is 4.5 billion years and the age of the current universe is 13.8 billion years. So, your theory, where earth was created on day 1 is falsified.
Why would anyone believe such a bunch of nonsense in the 21st century? For openers you're assuming a 'god' was the impetus to creation, so would you enlighten us as to where such a 'god' might have come from. Perhaps a momma goddess and a poppa god out there somewhere? And you have read all the book you're referring to I assume..... which to me reads like a manual for genocide. Research the concept of the 'ban'....... And even 'god' gets involved in the killing by throwing down chunks of ice on the Amalakites or someone I think I remember. Is it any more absurd to consider that possibly the universe has ALWAYS EXISTED? And there never was a 'creation'? That there are no devils or angels or trolls or unicorns. Time to come back to reality folks.......
Nah, you're thinking of creationism.
Really? Can you provide evidence that states those figures are indisputable facts? How is that time measured? What happens to your theory if there was no time dimension before the sun and intelligence to measure it? Unless, you can prove there was, can you?
"The possibility that time may not exist is known among physicists as the “problem of time.”"
What if the devil created the universe yesterday with all memories and beliefs programmed into our heads to make us falsely believe we have existed long before that?Actually, that is incorrect.
What if God created the universe 10,000 years ago in the state you find it today. Than all of your assumptions get thrown in the trash can. You can't assume the age of the Earth or the universe based on the calculations you're using because you have assumed the universe wasn't created 10,000 years ago in the state we find it in today.
What if the devil created the universe yesterday with all memories and beliefs programmed into our heads to make us falsely believe we have existed long before that?
If evidence from nature and sense data is inherently deceptive then knowledge is impossible.
Since change is impossible without time, and thought is nothing if not process / change, you seem to refute your own thesis at this point.On the fourth day, He created [...] the sun [...] the moon. Up until this event, there was no mechanism for measuring time, IOW, there was no time dimension
Therefore no possibility of thought or action would exist.Since God is outside of time
I think it's more than reasonable, it's essential, that you demand an explanation reasoned honestly from empirical, examinable evidence. So it seems odd that you assume your own hypothesis doesn't need that kind of support. (You also need to accept that there remain many questions about which, at this stage, we can only speculate, eg did anything exist before the Big Bang and if so what? These aren't a gap to hide a god in, just works in progress of our understanding.)Therefore, unless man can provide a provable explanation, using empirical evidence, of where, when and how space, matter, energy and time came into existence and in what sequence, I choose to believe in the supernatural
Ahm, sorry, no. To do that, you can't assume that each and every event set out in Genesis is an accurate statement about reality ─ great mountains of the empirical evidence you mention say they're not.I have tried to use a methodlogy used by science in presenting this new theory.
Genesis is also a book deceptively created yesterday by the devil with your firm belief on it programmed by the devil inserted in your headwhen he created you yesterday.No, it's not. Genesis explains it quite well.
I find ALL of the 6 creative days are summed up by the word ' day ' at Genesis 2:4
Be glad to, just as soon as you enlighten me where, when and how, space, matter, energy and time came into existence, can you do that. Oh yeah, I would expect to see empirical scientific evidence for your answer.
Tiny problem with this 'theory' is that there is no evidence to make the hypothesis a theory.In the beginning, before anything known to mankind existed, there was a supernatural, intelligent being that created the universe. It is thought that He first created space and then He created matter. It is likely that He supplied the energy from Himself to create the universe. The belief is there was no time dimension at this point and He could have created everything instantaneously but He chose to do it in steps to serve His purpose which was to set days, weeks, months and years for the people He would create later.
What would become to be known as day one, It is probable that He created the heavens and the earth and furnished light from Himself to set up day and night.
It seems to reason that He then made the firmament which separated the waters above it from the waters below and called that day two.
It could have happened on the third day when the waters below the firmament gathered together and for dry land to appear which He called earth. The best estimate is the earth brought forth vegetation, plants and trees bearing fruit after their kind.
On the fourth day, He created lights in the expanse to separate day from night and these were made to give light on earth. The great light, the sun, was to govern the day and the lesser light, the moon, was to govern the night. Up until this event, there was no mechanism for measuring time, IOW, there was no time dimension, now it is in place and waiting for intelligence to measure it. This belief is based on much circumstantial evidence that seems to support this view.
It is likely that He created the creatures in the waters and the birds of the sky on the fifth day. He commanded them to be fruitful and multiply, each after its own kind.
Most think it was day six when He created the living creatures on the earth, each after its own kind. Then He created man in His own image, male and female and commanded them to be fruitful and multiply and to rule over the fish, the birds and over every living creature that moves on the earth.
Even though day four saw a mechanism put in place for measuring time, it was not until day six after the universe was created that there was an instrument, intelligence, to measure time. Most seem to agree with this theory.
There is a difference of opinion on exactly what point the laws of nature were created, some believing it was day one and others think it more likely to be day four.
Since God is outside of time and it means nothing to Him, He had a purpose for using six days, in man’s time frame, for the creation.
“Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.” (Exodus 20:9–11, NASB95)
Therefore, unless man can provide a provable explanation, using empirical evidence, of where, when and how space, matter, energy and time came into existence and in what sequence, I choose to believe in the supernatural.
I have tried to use a methodlogy used by science in presenting this new theory.
Science starts in the present with a desired ending.
I'm glad my post kept you entertained.
Therefore, unless man can provide a provable explanation, using empirical evidence, of where, when and how space, matter, energy and time came into existence and in what sequence, I choose to believe in the supernatural.
I have tried to use a methodlogy used by science in presenting this new theory.
My entire point, science cannot validate where, when and how space, matter, energy and time came into existence. Just like those of us that believe in the supernatural, God, we cannot prove when, where and how God came into existence. Using the scriptures as they are written has an explanation as to how the universe came into existence, science does not.
Not true, we can only use what is written.
"Once upon a time, long, long ago, there lived a magical King...."In the beginning, before anything known to mankind existed, there was a supernatural, intelligent being that created the universe.
It's thought -- arrived at by reason and evidence -- or is it merely felt?It is thought that He first created space and then He created matter.
Could you outline the reasoning leading to this conclusion, por favor?It is likely that He supplied the energy from Himself to create the universe.
Why is this probable?What would become to be known as day one, It is probable that He created the heavens and the earth and furnished light from Himself to set up day and night.
So Earth, land, sea and vegetation were created before the Sun and stars?It could have happened on the third day when the waters below the firmament gathered together and for dry land to appear which He called earth. The best estimate is the earth brought forth vegetation, plants and trees bearing fruit after their kind.
On the fourth day, He created lights in the expanse to separate day from night and these were made to give light on earth. The great light, the sun, was to govern the day and the lesser light, the moon, was to govern the night.
What evidence?This belief is based on much circumstantial evidence that seems to support this view.
So unless we have a full, proven explanation for something, it's reasonable to attribute it to magic?Therefore, unless man can provide a provable explanation, using empirical evidence, of where, when and how space, matter, energy and time came into existence and in what sequence, I choose to believe in the supernatural.
No. You haven't done anything like that. Yours is speculative mythology based on a book of folklore. I see no scientific methodology at all.I have tried to use a methodlogy used by science in presenting this new theory.
You've got that precisely backwards.Science starts in the present with a desired ending.
But you're seeing science and mythology as comparable. They're not. Science is not an alternative sort of religion. Methodologically, it's the opposite of religion. Scientific method is not a priori, as you seem to think.My entire point, science cannot validate where, when and how space, matter, energy and time came into existence. Just like those of us that believe in the supernatural, God, we cannot prove when, where and how God came into existence.
No!Using the scriptures as they are written has an explanation as to how the universe came into existence, science does not.
How does this agree with science? it's not even framed as a scientific concept.Also, I find Scripture agrees with science in that according to Isaiah 40:26 God used His 'power and strength' ( His dynamic energy ) to create the material realm of our existence.