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Not true. They will help witnesses out materially, but non witnesses only get their literature.
Jesus seemed to think that you do need to repent of your sins.
"The time has come," he (Jesus) said. "The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!"
Whatever you say cultist.
I hope you are trying to be funny by the way you use the word 'fateful' since it should have been 'faithful.'According to the fateful 'slave' no. Why should we have to repent of our sins, and be forgiven if we are acquitted of them when we die?
According to the fateful 'slave', we can live as we want now, and be resurrected with a clean slate.
According to the fateful 'slave' we are not going to be judged for the way we live now, while we are alive, but for what we do "after" we are resurrected.
*** bh p. 214 pars. 2-3 Judgment Day—What Is It? ***
But on what basis will all be judged? According to the apostle John’s vision, “scrolls were opened,” and “the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds.” (Revelation 20:12) Are these scrolls the record of people’s past deeds? No, the judgment will not focus on what people did before they died. How do we know that? The Bible says: “The one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” (Romans 6:7) Those resurrected thus come to life with a clean slate, so to speak.
So why are the witnesses so adamant about getting people to join their cult? It's not about saving souls, because what we do now has no bearing on our salvation. We don't have to be concerned about what we do until we are resurrected, then we have to obey God's old and "new" laws.
They lied.
According to the fateful 'slave' no. Why should we have to repent of our sins, and be forgiven if we are acquitted of them when we die?
According to the fateful 'slave', we can live as we want now, and be resurrected with a clean slate.
According to the fateful 'slave' we are not going to be judged for the way we live now, while we are alive, but for what we do "after" we are resurrected.
*** bh p. 214 pars. 2-3 Judgment Day—What Is It? ***
But on what basis will all be judged? According to the apostle John’s vision, “scrolls were opened,” and “the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds.” (Revelation 20:12) Are these scrolls the record of people’s past deeds? No, the judgment will not focus on what people did before they died. How do we know that? The Bible says: “The one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” (Romans 6:7) Those resurrected thus come to life with a clean slate, so to speak.
So why are the witnesses so adamant about getting people to join their cult? It's not about saving souls, because what we do now has no bearing on our salvation. We don't have to be concerned about what we do until we are resurrected, then we have to obey God's old and "new" laws.
Um...no...I believe that he lied. We don't teach much of anything this poster says. He has a somewhat twisted view of our beliefs.
I am thinking perhaps that an obsession with JW's may be getting the better of him....Sad really.
Perhaps he just needs a
In my view there is just Dharma. Anything that goes against that is Adharma, but adharma can't exist but very briefly, as it goes against the natural order of everything.
No being would truly wish to stay in adharma, and eventually all will come around. We don't burn people in hell for an eternity when any crime committed can only cause temporary evil. The infinite nature of time and "God" requires that even the worst possible wrong doing will be repented for.
This isn't an excuse to do "evil" however, as the consequences for one's self and their Karma is very real and can last a very, very long time. In this view to want anyone to suffer for eternity for any crime no matter how horrible is by definition unjust.
No crime no matter how great can ever truly harm the glory of totality which will consume and destroy all illusion and adharma.
You say that like there is something wrong with cults.
Whatever you say cultist.
I never experienced that at the Hall and through my couple of years of talking to different witness all with the same friend bringing a new witness at a time. They always had something spiritual to give.
I mean, if that's the case, why even talk to me or even look up my religion for that matter if they were only concerned about themselves and not the spiritual welfare of others regardless of your opinions about them?
Maybe this is a topic for a different thread.
My goal with this thread is to show that the witnesses, who claim to be the "only true religion" teach that we are not judged for the way we live our life "before" we die,
because we are acquitted of our sins when we die,
and are resurrected with a clean slate to start afresh "during" judgment day.
Um...no...I believe that he lied. We don't teach much of anything this poster says. He has a somewhat twisted view of our beliefs.
I am thinking perhaps that an obsession with JW's may be getting the better of him....Sad really.
Perhaps he just needs a...
I was reading JW that we ask for repentance of sins we have on earth, when we die, we will go to dust (no soul or spirits) and those dead and alive will be resurrected from the earth and/or judged on judgement day. I don't know any church that believes christ judges before people die. Usually, many teach when judgement day comes.
Also, that would make sense. If you repent your sins, you are only judged by your deeds but your inherited sins would be acquitted because of you obedience and repentance to god.
I don't know about the last part. Usually people are resurrected after they are judged. I haven't heard JW taught that but I only went twice because their services were too long.
I don't get the "one true religion" mindset from any abrahamic follower. It sounds more political than anything else.
According to the fateful 'slave' no. Why should we have to repent of our sins, and be forgiven if we are acquitted of them when we die?
According to the fateful 'slave', we can live as we want now, and be resurrected with a clean slate.
So why are the witnesses so adamant about getting people to join their cult?
It's not about saving souls, because what we do now has no bearing on our salvation. We don't have to be concerned about what we do until we are resurrected, then we have to obey God's old and "new" laws.
They teach that people won't be judged for "what they did" before they die. They aren't teaching about inherited sin, but about the way one lives while alive.
Either way, God requires a perfect, spotless sacrifice for sin, there is now way He would accept a humans death as a sacrifice for sin. The witnesses teach they are imperfect, sinful people, God will not accept an imperfect sacrifice for sin.
Also, in scripture it does say christians will be judged by your deeds.
When one dies, they sleep until judgement day. People are judge for their deeds/sins/transgressions.
You're repenting your sins to be in union with god in this life.
I don't get how this is against JW. Witnesses teach they are imperfect (aka inherited sin to some). He doesn't accept an imperfect sacrifice (a blemished lamb, for example), so one repents and follows god with deeds not just words.
Correct, they teach that when one dies, they sleep until judgment day. Then they are resurrected with a "clean slate" having been acquitted of their sins they committed before they died by "their' death. They won't be judged for what they did before they died, but for what they do "after" they are resurrected during judgment day.