Can You Forgive Anything?

[David1967]

A lot of things I can, but there are limits. That being said, I have not been offended in such a way.

 

[George-ananda]

Thus, I ask can you forgive anything?

Ultimately I think I could because in the end I would see as just ignorance. But it could be hard and take some time.

 

[shunyadragon]

Forgiveness is not forgetting, I emphasize it this way.

. . . but accountability, sincerity, and responsibility still stand for ALL offences against those that transgress against others. The soap of forgiveness does not deal with this.

I would like to add an important reason for a sense of universal forgiveness. I would carry the burden of not forgiving the sins of the past and present, because of the heavy burden it represents on the soul.

A parallel that is unacceptable is the inherited guilt of the past sins of our ancestors, as in the concept of Original Sin and the Fall in traditional Christianity.

'Guilt and blame are like sacks of bowling balls we carry.'

 

[MonkeyFire]

Why would disbelief need forgiveness? It isn't wrong to disbelieve, so why would it warrant forgiveness anyways?

It's evil, and hopeless.

 

[james bond]

I would like to add an important reason for a sense of universal forgiveness. I would carry the burden of not forgiving the sins of the past and present, because of the heavy burden it represents on the soul.

A parallel that is unacceptable is the inherited guilt of the past sins of our ancestors, as in the concept of Original Sin and the Fall in traditional Christianity.

'Guilt and blame are like sacks of bowling balls we carry.'

I know you're blaming God for not forgiving Adam and Eve, but he's the one judging. Because of the special nature of this sin, God decided to sacrifice his only Son. Now, God isn't acting as the judge but the forgiver. The sin wasn't forgiven until Jesus died for our sins. How did you even not think this?

 

[leibowde84]

It's evil, and hopeless.

Why do you think it is evil?

 

[shunyadragon]

I know you're blaming God for not forgiving Adam and Eve, but he's the one judging. Because of the special nature of this sin, God decided to sacrifice his only Son. Now, God isn't acting as the judge but the forgiver. The sin wasn't forgiven until Jesus died for our sins. How did you even not think this?

I do not blame God for anything. I believe that Original Sin and Fall are based on ancient Greek and other ancient culture myths and primitive beliefs of inherited guilt.

 

[pearl]

there are parables that display judgement

The parable of the unforgiving servant (Mt18:23-35) illustrates the judge not and you will not be judged, the forgive and you will be forgiven of the petition. The king who wishes to settle debts with his servants is obviously God, and the atmosphere is that of judgment. The parable points out that God's forgiveness of the servant has a connection to that servants forgiveness of his fellow servant. When this brotherly forgiveness fails, he is given to the torturers till he pay his debt.

 

[Thief]

The parable of the unforgiving servant (Mt18:23-35) illustrates the judge not and you will not be judged, the forgive and you will be forgiven of the petition. The king who wishes to settle debts with his servants is obviously God, and the atmosphere is that of judgment. The parable points out that God's forgiveness of the servant has a connection to that servants forgiveness of his fellow servant. When this brotherly forgiveness fails, he is given to the torturers till he pay his debt.

given to torture until the debt is paid......

a line drawn.....and not forgiving

and who wields the whip?
the guy you harmed?

 

[Thief]

I know you're blaming God for not forgiving Adam and Eve, but he's the one judging. Because of the special nature of this sin, God decided to sacrifice his only Son. Now, God isn't acting as the judge but the forgiver. The sin wasn't forgiven until Jesus died for our sins. How did you even not think this?

I don't think so....
I believe the 'test' was to make sure the alteration made had taken hold

Man needs to be that creature of curiosity....even if death is the pending consequence
to know......even you must die to realize

it was actually a successful alteration

then release back into the environment
no more petri dish

might seem like a punishment
cast out of ideal living conditions to fend for yourself

but I don't believe were ever meant to live forever in these bodies

and the word.....sin.....means......without
and we live without God and heaven handing us all that we need

Jesus didn't die FOR....our sins
He died BECAUSE of them

 

[Fool]

The Our Father prayer is probably the best known of all the Christian prayers. The words go,
"Our Father who art in heaven
Hallowed be thy name
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done
On earth, as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us
And lead us not into temptation
But deliver us from evil
For thine is the kingdom, the power, and glory forever"

Thus, I ask can you forgive anything?

Forgiveness doesn't do so much for the forgiven as it does for the forgiver. It releases the forgiver from the negative attachment. It basically depersonalizes the action because the forgiver can recognize how lost and confused the forgiven is.

So yes, people can let go of negative things and become healthier in so doing.

a light has appeared in the darkness and the ignorance didn't conquer it. all negative actions are about power struggles.

 

[Thief]

I would agree for the most part....

one day as my Grandmother was washing dishes....she said to me
You can forgive....but you never forget

apparently something was on her mind
she didn't say what it was

I think
forgiveness is linked to grace
it is what you allow

so if we take turns at the Door.....as Doorkeeper
what passes by us into heaven is our responsibility

what then if we make allowance.....and Heaven does not approve?

"who let this fellow in?!!!!!!!
summon the Doorkeeper!"

and we might BOTH find ourselves.....back outside

 

[pearl]

given to torture until the debt is paid......

In the version of the Our Father in Mt its the forgiveness of 'debts' which is more Semitic than the Greek trespass in Luke. A parable reflects the life of the times in which those who didn't pay their debts would go to prison.

 

[Thief]

In the version of the Our Father in Mt its the forgiveness of 'debts' which is more Semitic than the Greek trespass in Luke. A parable reflects the life of the times in which those who didn't pay their debts would go to prison.

we can sin and fall from grace......be without God
we can sin against our neighbor.....and be at odds with him

how much forgiveness that we walk among the angelic?

 

[metis]

Thus, I ask can you forgive anything?

I can only realistically forgive those who may have harmed me, not someone else.

 

[Grandliseur]

The Our Father prayer is probably the best known of all the Christian prayers. The words go,
"Our Father who art in heaven
Hallowed be thy name
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done
On earth, as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us
And lead us not into temptation
But deliver us from evil
For thine is the kingdom, the power, and glory forever"

Thus, I ask can you forgive anything?

Even Jesus told us not to forgive all things while at the same time condemning the religious leaders in the strongest terms. That should give us a hint somewhere about there. Do you remember what Jesus said was the reason for divorce acceptable to God? Adultery and fornication!

Matthew 5:32: but I say unto you, that every one that putteth away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, maketh her an adulteress: and whosoever shall marry her when she is put away committeth adultery.​

If then for the sake of the sin of fornication and adultery - divorce is permitted, this means that the wronged partner does not have to forgive that person for if they had to forgive they couldn't divorce said person.

In Luke 17:3, we are told that Christians must repent if they commit serious sins against others that may be forgiven. If they do not repent, obviously the sin does not have to be forgiven.

Also consider this:

Matt 18:15 And if thy brother sin against thee, go, show him his fault between thee and him alone: if he hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he hear thee not, take with thee one or two more, that at the mouth of two witnesses or three every word may be established. 17 And if he refuse to hear them, tell it unto the church: and if he refuse to hear the church also, let him be unto thee as the Gentile and the publican.​

As you might realize, the question of forgiveness of sin is more complex than many think. In fact, if you forgive or not does not affect God's treatment of the sinner, it only affects your own peace of mind and God's treatment of yourself. If you look at Paul in his epistles and his discussion about Alexander, I think it is, you will see that not all things are forgotten.

It comes down to this, not all relationships may be restored to previous positions. If a person behaves the rabid dog, you would be a fool to go and get bitten repeatedly by such a rapid dog. If the dog only bit you because you trespassed, and since has become friendly, perhaps prior or better relationships may be wrought .

As it says, 'deliver us from evil', and the ones who are like satan must not be forgiven. But, that does not mean you carry around in your heart a burning hate of them. It means that you let God be the avenger and rely on him to correct things. Then you can concentrate on doing good.

 

[Thief]

I can only realistically forgive those who may have harmed me, not someone else.

and if you are close enough to witness the forgiving of a soul......that has done great harm

would you stand by without objection?

 

[metis]

and if you are close enough to witness the forgiving of a soul......that has done great harm

would you stand by without objection?

I don't personally react to every thing that I may disagree with, so I guess it would depend on the circumstances.

 

[Thief]

I don't personally react to every thing that I may disagree with, so I guess it would depend on the circumstances.

walking with Hitler.....like your bosom buddy

arm around Judas

sipping tea with serial killers...

etc...etc....etc....

 

[metis]

walking with Hitler.....like your bosom buddy

arm around Judas

sipping tea with serial killers...

etc...etc....etc....

It's rather obvious that being honest is only one option that you consider possible for you to do as I never made any such claims, nor would I.

Therefore, all you have done is to "bear false witness", and maybe you should consider whether you feel that's moral or not. I don't, and I'm not terribly fond of dealing with those who make such false accusations, so...