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Can You Forgive Anything?

james bond

james bond

Well-Known Member
The Our Father prayer is probably the best known of all the Christian prayers. The words go,
"Our Father who art in heaven
Hallowed be thy name
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done
On earth, as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us
And lead us not into temptation
But deliver us from evil
For thine is the kingdom, the power, and glory forever"

Thus, I ask can you forgive anything?

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Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
james bond said:
The Our Father prayer is probably the best known of all the Christian prayers. The words go,
"Our Father who art in heaven
Hallowed be thy name
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done
On earth, as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us
And lead us not into temptation
But deliver us from evil
For thine is the kingdom, the power, and glory forever"

Thus, I ask can you forgive anything?

christian_forgiveness.png~original
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no....

there are parables that display judgement

if you forgive only to avoid your own condemnation....
your judgement is tainted

to bestow forgiveness unto to those who seek to preserve themselves
escape penalty
would be a waste of....grace

it is not well to give the meat of the children unto dogs
so it is written

now in all fairness....
that incident was quickly countered....
...But even the dogs have scraps from the children's table

her quick retort displayed the mind and heart heaven is seeking
 
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Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
history holds a great many grievances....

many will seek retribution for the sour treatment they have been dealt
and many have been harmed even unto death

I suspect the Carpenter's remark is a profound statement of our condition here on earth
and some of us will never know peace for the great harm that was dealt

can you imagine yourself?.. as the Roman soldier that drove the nails.....
standing before God and heaven

or perhaps not standing
 
james bond

james bond

Well-Known Member
Thief said:
history holds a great many grievances....

many will seek retribution for the sour treatment they have been dealt
and many have been harmed even unto death

I suspect the Carpenter's remark is a profound statement of our condition here on earth
and some of us will never know peace for the great harm that was dealt

can you imagine yourself?.. as the Roman soldier that drove the nails.....
standing before God and heaven

or perhaps not standing
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It seems the forgiveness is in this life. It's not like those who did wrong and did not feel remorse won't be judged unless you're an internet atheist who just takes it as they come..
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I have no problem forgiving a slight, attack or simple ignorance. Getting me to forget is quite another thing.
 
shunyadragon

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
james bond said:
The Our Father prayer is probably the best known of all the Christian prayers. The words go,
"Our Father who art in heaven
Hallowed be thy name
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done
On earth, as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us
And lead us not into temptation
But deliver us from evil
For thine is the kingdom, the power, and glory forever"

Thus, I ask can you forgive anything?

christian_forgiveness.png~original
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I can forgive everything, but accountability, sincerity, and responsibility still stand for ALL offences against those that transgress against others. The soap of forgiveness does not deal with this.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
james bond said:
The Our Father prayer is probably the best known of all the Christian prayers. The words go,
"Our Father who art in heaven
Hallowed be thy name
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done
On earth, as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us
And lead us not into temptation
But deliver us from evil
For thine is the kingdom, the power, and glory forever"

Thus, I ask can you forgive anything?
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Yes. What things do we not have the "ability" to forgive if we are willing to do so?
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
james bond said:
It seems the forgiveness is in this life. It's not like those who did wrong and did not feel remorse won't be judged unless you're an internet atheist who just takes it as they come..
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I believe we all stand to judgement.
I believe the peace of heaven is guarded

I might be willing to forgive a great many things
but heaven might not allow it
Heaven might forgive a great many things
but I might not hold my peace

Picture Jesus, Judas, and Hitler....sharing bread and a sauce bowl
looking each other ...in the eye

don't the angels carry swords?
didn't the disciples lay two swords on His Supper table?
 
james bond

james bond

Well-Known Member
shunyadragon said:
I can forgive everything, but accountability, sincerity, and responsibility still stand for ALL offences against those that transgress against others. The soap of forgiveness does not deal with this.
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We agree.

>>The soap of forgiveness does not deal with this.<<
Which soap? The swastika soap is Charles Krafft's, the most seditious artist, work.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
james bond said:
Can you really?

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Forgive who? The nazis who participated in the third reich are mostly dead at this point. So, it doesn't really make sense to "forgive" them unless it is for one's own benefit. But, all in all, forgetting what happened with Hitler's rise to power and the nazi regime would be an incredibly destructive thing.
 
shunyadragon

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
leibowde84 said:
Forgive who? The nazis who participated in the third reich are mostly dead at this point. So, it doesn't really make sense to "forgive" them unless it is for one's own benefit. But, all in all, forgetting what happened with Hitler's rise to power and the nazi regime would be an incredibly destructive thing.
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Forgiveness is not forgetting, I emphasize it this way.

. . . but accountability, sincerity, and responsibility still stand for ALL offences against those that transgress against others. The soap of forgiveness does not deal with this.
 
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