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God is cruel

Is God cruel?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 34.4%
  • No

    Votes: 21 65.6%

  • Total voters
    32

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The last I checked according to the Christian story you have a dying suffering God. That's a rather remarkable bit of insight iin that story. Lots and lots of suffering. Mary suffers because of an infant, joseph suffers because of Mary and the infant. The infant suffers because of the community. The community suffers because of itself. Lots and lots of suffering and we don't stop, one truth about suffering, it makes love and joy.....magical.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
The last I checked according to the Christian story you have a dying suffering God. That's a rather remarkable bit of insight iin that story. Lots and lots of suffering. Mary suffers because of an infant, joseph suffers because of Mary and the infant. The infant suffers because of the community. The community suffers because of itself. Lots and lots of suffering and we don't stop, one truth about suffering, it makes love and joy.....magical.
Yes we need to understand that so called suffering is part of life.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
God could have not given us all free will, and then we could all be His puppets or drones. With positive things coming from free will, unfortunately also comes bad things. I've heard that people feel God giving His creation free will is what makes Him cruel, but I think differently.

Free will is one thing, but I've never been able to reconcile that concept with severe birth deformities (for example)
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Its all life, deformities and everything else, it all goes together, its we who put a label to it, not liking this or that, and so we suffer.

I meant that the argument of free will as it relates to suffering fails to account for random acts of suffering not related to an act of free will.

It's all the same for me, I don't expect life to be working to a plan.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I meant that the argument of free will as it relates to suffering fails to account for random acts of suffering not related to an act of free will.

It's all the same for me, I don't expect life to be working to a plan.
Yes and life will never work to our plan, to expect that is to suffer, to expect anything is to suffer.
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
Why do people's standards and expectations of God involve rainbows, unicorns and butterflies? Why do people feel like God should have made our experience of Life a G-rated movie? Why do they expect God to bless them with hugs and smiles and happiness, everywhere they go? Why do they expect God to fly down on a cloud dressed in tie-dye robes, and sprinkle them with happy glitter to erase all their pain and misery, and make everything in their lives enjoyable and peaceful?


 
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psychoslice

Veteran Member
Why do people's standards and expectations of God involve rainbows, unicorns and butterflies? Why do people feel like God should have made our experience of Life a G-rated movie? Why do they expect God to bless them with hugs and smiles and happiness, everywhere they go? Why do they expect God to fly down on a cloud dressed in tie-dye robes, and sprinkle them with happy glitter to erase all their pain and misery, and make everything in their lives happy and peaceful?

Simple, they believe in a dream that they hope will save them, ha, as if lol.
 
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