Its hard to take scriptures serious with verses like these

[Shad]

*wonders what future generations will think of some of the stuff posted in here if any of it survives the zombie apocalypse*

**nah, doesn't really wonder. It's pretty self-explanatory "Wow! Pre-Z people had their heads all the way up their smecktars!"**

I would think people would have a hard time distinguishing which group was the brain-dead zombies and which had intelligence.

 

[psychoslice]

You should try reading a version that hasn't been quite so altered for whatever reason. Never read that in the Quran either. Not sure what version of that your using, but my point is that attempting to discredit or act as if the sacred writings of believers in GOD are of no little moral worth based on the verses you have submitted is slightly intellectually dishonest in my opinion. The core scriptures or sacred writings of the those not only who had faith in GOD, but too were faithful to GOD are indeed of great value in matters of moral code, but one must understand that the vast majority of these codes or laws where indeed meant for a separate time and environment. However; this doesn't change the fact that these core writings are all like different tones of the same note, or like different birds who's warbles, together, comprise a beautiful harmonious song.

The selfless conscience is true direction for creation from Creator, for the sake of peaceable existence for all.

This is not against the teachings of the Christ

peace

Yes there are different versions I suppose, and everyone reads whatever commentary's that suits them, but there is so much of these weird verses, it only needs one to be true, and the whole scriptures falls to pieces.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Pre-Z people had their heads all the way up their smecktars!

Smecktar!? I suspect this is a reference to a not so holy orifice

 

[Dawnofhope]

It might have stopped battles that only exist because a tribe convinced God said it was morally fine decided to invade their homes, rape their women, and kill the ... well, basically everyone.[/QUOTE]

Thats right. Men of Jericho need not care for their women and children as there is no where to hide when the walls come tumbling as the Hebrews roll on in. We sung songs about this at Sunday school. The book of Joshua yet will provide plenty of fodder for another thread of this ilk.

 

[LuisDantas]

Is that a serious question or not to be taken seriously? How can we know?

Of course it is a serious question.

Once one considers what scripture _is usually understood to be (written text with supposedly religious directives, written by people that literally never heard of us) it is only fair to question why it would be relevant.

Contrary to what many people seem to believe, it is the follower that lends significance and prestigie to the scripture, not the other way around.

I expect that some day (hopefully soon) the mentality of worship of scripture will see its effective end. It has ever been na oddity.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Of course it is a serious question.

Thank you for clarifying. Sometimes the written word is clearer to some than it is to others.

Once one considers what scripture _is usually understood to be (written text with supposedly religious directives, written by people that literally never heard of us) it is only fair to question why it would be relevant.

Agreed. However for people of Abrahamic traditions it all forms part of a narrative from creation to the latest prophet or manifestion that is recognised. To take scripture out of context and belittle it is just as problematic as seeing it literally when it should be seen symbolically, or far that matter see it symbolically when it should be taken literally.

Contrary to what many people seem to believe, it is the follower that lends significance and prestigie to the scripture, not the other way around.

I suspect that many, if not most people of the Book would argue that it is both. The Holy Writings provide spiritual, moral, and intellectual inspiration that transforms man into the noble being he was created to be. The nobilty of the man then becomes yet another proof of the power of The Word.

I expect that some day (hopefully soon) the mentality of worship of scripture will see its effective end. It has ever been na oddity.

It is an interesting and perhaps fundamental difference between Abrahamic Faiths and what you propose. How will it be a better for man and humanity not to have these Faiths? I am interested.

 

[Smart_Guy]

And the Qur'an.
Allah likes sneezing but hates yawning[edit]
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah likes sneezing and dislikes yawning, so if someone sneezes and then praises Allah, then it is obligatory on every Muslim who heard him, to say: May Allah be merciful to you (Yar-hamuka-l-lah). But as regards yawning, it is from satan, so one must try one's best to stop it, if one says 'Ha' when yawning, satan will laugh at him."

The art of dealing with a fart[edit]
Narrated Ali ibn Talq: The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) said: When any of you breaks wind during the prayer, he should turn away and perform ablution and repeat the prayer.
Abu Dawud 1:205
Narrated 'Abbas bin Tamim: My uncle asked Allah's Apostle about a person who imagined to have passed wind during the prayer. Allah' Apostle replied: "He should not leave his prayers unless he hears sound or smells something."
Sahih Bukhari 1:4:139
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah does not accept prayer of anyone of you if he does Hadath (passes wind) till he performs the ablution (anew)."
Sahih Bukhari 9:86:86
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Zam'a: The Prophet forbade laughing at a person who passes wind.
Sahih Bukhari 8:73:68
And Allah taught Adam all the names as follows: He taught him the name of everything, down to fart and little fart.
Tabari I 267.

These are only a very small number of unusual verses.............so, why do some take the scriptures literal with verses such as these ??.

Dude, those are not verses... they are not even Qur'an

By the way, if you read them in Arabic and seek good clarifications for them, you will find they are informative and socially educational about manners

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Perhaps... but the church is the bride of Christ and marriage is a temporary parable of permanence
for something greater

I understand that Christianity loves to make everything about itself, but it's a story of two people talking about their sex lives. Context is everything, and it's an erotic poem.

Ha, yes understand it in your way of interpretation lol.

Well, as we know, it must be true, if some hack kids' writer said it was...

 

[popsthebuilder]

Yes there are different versions I suppose, and everyone reads whatever commentary's that suits them, but there is so much of these weird verses, it only needs one to be true, and the whole scriptures falls to pieces.

How does scripture fall apart over the literal interpretation of singular verses taken out of context?

peace

 

[omega2xx]

Ha, yes understand it in your way of interpretation lol.

Can you show where my way of interpretation is wrong?



Men despise religion. They hate it and are afraid it may be true. Blaise Pascal

 

[popsthebuilder]

I understand that Christianity loves to make everything about itself, but it's a story of two people talking about their sex lives. Context is everything, and it's an erotic poem.


Well, as we know, it must be true, if some hack kids' writer said it was...

Your understanding of Christianity is flawed then.

Not saying it's your fault. Just saying it's wrong.

Much of the bible is about love and devotion, but that doesn't mean the bible belongs in the erotic section of the book store.

peace

 

[omega2xx]

Why?

Because they are rejecting what might be truth and have no supporting evidence. Does that not seem rather foolish?


Men despise religion. They hate it and are afraid it may be true. Blaise Pascal

 

[LuisDantas]

Agreed. However for people of Abrahamic traditions it all forms part of a narrative from creation to the latest prophet or manifestion that is recognised. To take scripture out of context and belittle it is just as problematic as seeing it literally when it should be seen symbolically, or far that matter see it symbolically when it should be taken literally.

It seems to me that this is a serious problem of those traditions, one that they never addressed very effectively at all and that IMO originated when they began to overemphasize scripture in the first place.

An even bigger problem is their self-given entitlement to expect others to deal with the consequences of such a dangerous eccentricity.

In short, they do not get to trouble others with their oddity and then blame the others for that trouble.

If they see that as "belittling", they have a lot to reconsider.

I suspect that many, if not most people of the Book would argue that it is both. The Holy Writings provide spiritual, moral, and intellectual inspiration that transforms man into the noble being he was created to be. The nobilty of the man then becomes yet another proof of the power of The Word.

Were that true, we would not be discussing this subject very often at all.

It is an interesting and perhaps fundamental difference between Abrahamic Faiths and what you propose. How will it be a better for man and humanity not to have these Faiths? I am interested.

I don't know that the Abrahamics need scripture at all, let alone as a cornerstone. But it is doubtlessly better not to rely on them, out or inside the Abrahamics.

In any case, I don't recognize anyone as an adherent to any religion until and unless they accept the duty to validate and explain when and how their scriptures apply and fail to. If at all possible, they should also write some of their own, in their own words. That is the only way for scripture to truly be useful as opposed to a dangerous drawback.

That the Abrahamics largely fail to accept that altogether is not a problem I wanted to involve myself with. But I am not given the choice.

 

[LuisDantas]

Because they are rejecting what might be truth and have no supporting evidence. Does that not seem rather foolish?


Men despise religion. They hate it and are afraid it may be true. Blaise Pascal

Come on, be serious for a bit, will you?

 

[omega2xx]

Come on, be serious for a bit, will you?

If you don't understand my comment, you don't understand "serious." Why did you not provide the evidence for what you believe. Let me be serious---you have none. Do you even acknowledge that your view can be wrong? If you don't, you are not serious about finding the truth.


Men despise religion. They hate it and are afraid it may be true. Blaise Pascal

 

[LuisDantas]

If you don't understand my comment, you don't understand "serious." Why did you not provide the evidence for what you believe. Let me be serious---you have none. Do you even acknowledge that your view can be wrong? If you don't, you are not serious about finding the truth.


Men despise religion. They hate it and are afraid it may be true. Blaise Pascal

I don't understand how you could possibly mean such a comment seriously.

A person is supposed to be honest with itself and its gifts. All the more so if it believes those to be a divine gift, I would assume.

 

[omega2xx]

I don't understand how you could possibly mean such a comment seriously.

Perhaps you understanding is not as advanced as you think it is.

A person is supposed to be honest with itself and its gifts. All the more so if it believes those to be a divine gift, I would assume.

What makes you think I am not being honest? You are judging with no evidence. Is that eing honest?

Why didn't you answer my questions?

Why did you not provide the evidence for what you believe. Let me be serious---you have none. Do you even acknowledge that your view can be wrong? If you don't, you are not serious about finding the truth.

 

[Notanumber]

They thought Allah had all the answers.

The moral of this story is, you can’t trust sheep. Even Allah can’t control them.

Being serious for a while (even though it is difficult when studying the Quran), he does make some valid points.

 

[psychoslice]

Dude, those are not verses... they are not even Qur'an

By the way, if you read them in Arabic and seek good clarifications for them, you will find they are informative and socially educational about manners

Oh well,there still there though.

 

[psychoslice]

How does scripture fall apart over the literal interpretation of singular verses taken out of context?

peace

Many believe that the scriptures are perfect and every word is true, which I certainly don't believe, It is plain to see that there is much contradiction, there is also horrible stories that only a psychopath could follow.