Thinking of giving Islam another go...

[DawudTalut]

I was clearing out my bookshelf a couple of weeks ago when I came across an Arabic/English Quran translation I was given some time ago. I'd actually forgotten I still had it, but there it was on my shelf..............Should I try Islam again?

Peace be on you.....Yes! plus
1=With that Arabic/English Quran, you may want to use
Arabic/English/Commentary Quran @ http://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/guide.htm?region=E1
[The home/main page has contact us option at the end of page]
2=You may find your answers @ http://www.askislam.org/
[Ahmadiyya-Muslim resources for seekers]

Good wishes.

 

[Kori]

Do what you honestly feel is right. Just know what you believe in. Personally I think you should be a Norse Pagan given the fact we have free ice cream and cake. And not to mention we can pillage and plunder to our hearts content.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

I was clearing out my bookshelf a couple of weeks ago when I came across an Arabic/English Quran translation I was given some time ago. I'd actually forgotten I still had it, but there it was on my shelf.

Now for the most part my interest in Islam has never really died away or gone from me totally, and it seems that in the past when I've tried to turn away, ignore or actively get rid of said interest in Islam, all that seems to happen is that it comes back even stronger than before. It's almost a game of tug-of-war where the harder I pull away, the more I'm pulled back.

I'm wondering though if I have in the past dismissed Islam as a religious path for trivial reasons or been too hasty to say Islam is not right for me for whatever reason. At the same time, I do not want to go down that path of getting really enthusiastic about something only to find I fall away after the initial sparkle has died away.

Should I try Islam again?

Iam sorry that u are in this violent battle against satan.
He turns you away from islam through what people says.

The best advise i can give u: follow what your heart tells us.


Personaly i looked into all religions and found great errors in the belief systems of other religions except Islam.
Islam is something i can feel through heart and the prayers really give peace and tranquilty.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Downloaded Al Fatihah to my phone, and I've got it memorised (even if my Arabic is appallingly bad).



I've always been skeptical of those people who claim to be led to a religion by signs and dreams. Yet in my case, I've had both (I had a weird dream about the Quran some time ago which some people with which I've discussed it take to be of significance in its own right).

Whats the dream about?

 

[shmogie]

Islam was founded by a murderer pedophile. It is a religion of hate and violence. Reading the koran and hadith proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt. mohammed was a satanic figure and the so called religion he left is the perfect satanic antithesis to Christianity, the only true religion. The Crusades have not ended, and they will continue in response islam's violence. Of course, Christianity will prevail

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Islam was founded by a murderer pedophile. It is a religion of hate and violence. Reading the koran and hadith proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt. mohammed was a satanic figure and the so called religion he left is the perfect satanic antithesis to Christianity, the only true religion. The Crusades have not ended, and they will continue in response islam's violence. Of course, Christianity will prevail

U wished!

 

[shmogie]

U wished!

We will find out won't we ? "Every knee will bow.................to Christ" Mohammed will have his face in the dirt too, just before he is destroyed.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

We will find out won't we ? "Every knee will bow.................to Christ" Mohammed will have his face in the dirt too, just before he is destroyed.

Jesus pbuh will reject such worship.
He himself worshipped the Creator
He is called a servant of the Creator in Acts 3:13

U worship creation, i worship Creator

 

[Tumah]

Personally I think you should be a Norse Pagan given the fact we have free ice cream and cake.

I have to admit, you make a pretty decent argument.

 

[Tumah]

Personaly i looked into all religions and found great errors in the belief systems of other religions except Islam.

Wow, really?
Can you tell me (1) what you learned about Judaism and (2) what errors you found?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Wow, really?
Can you tell me (1) what you learned about Judaism and (2) what errors you found?

Nothing wrong with the monotheist views of Jews. Atleast they dont believe in trinity.
However the great errors i found in judaism is their disbelief in the prophets. Specialy Yahya/John, Zakariya/Zacharias, Isa/Jesus and Muhammad/Machamadim peace be upon them

 

[Tumah]

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Nothing wrong with the monotheist views of Jews. Atleast they dont believe in trinity.
However the great errors i found in judaism is their disbelief in the prophets. Specialy Yahya/John, Zakariya/Zacharias, Isa/Jesus and Muhammad/Machamadim peace be upon them

What you had said was:

Personaly i looked into all religions and found great errors in the belief systems of other religions except Islam.​

But your explanation of the great errors that you found in other belief systems is...that they're not Islam? Because that's essentially what you're saying.
I mean, let me understand what you're saying here: your advice to a person looking into Islam is that you think Islam is the right choice because other religions don't believe in Muhammad, Jesus and John. And its for that reason the person should consider becoming Muslim.

That's the great errors that you found.

Also, in English, Muhammad is Muhammad, not Machamadim. It wouldn't make sense in Hebrew either since ماحاماديم. =/= مُحَمَّد . Its also not how Arabic names transliterate into Hebrew or Hebrew names into Arabic. Here are some examples:

إِسْمَاعِيْل = يشمَاعِيْل
عبد الله = عبد الله
زكريّا = زكريّه
مُحَمَّد = مُحَمَد​

There are always very few changes when moving from Hebrew to Arabic.
1. Hebrew words don't usually end with an ا (or ى) but with a ه. So when switching between languages with words that end in the one, you'll usually need to switch one for the other.
2. When ا is used as a vowel in Hebrew, it will present as a diacritic, not a letter.
3. Its not uncommon for there to be a switch between س and ش when moving between the languages. I can't think of any examples, but I'd imagine the same might be true for ت and ث.
4. Some sounds are not found in Arabic, so similar sounds or alternate sounds of a letter are used instead. For example, the Hebrew letter ב can make a /b/ or /v/ sound. But Arabic doesn't have the /v/ sound, so a ب is used instead. The same with the Hebrew פ that can be /p/ or /f/, but in Arabic will always be a ف. And the Hebrew vowel ו that can be either the long /o/ or long /u/ but in Arabic a و is always used.
5. The إِ at the beginning of a name is usually a ي in Hebrew (and pronounced يي)
6. There is no ّ in Hebrew. When there's two consonants, they'll both be written out.

Sometimes the word is transliterated from Hebrew, to another language and then into Arabic. So the words might look more dissimilar. For example يونس‎‎ which is obviously coming from the Latin Ionas instead of the Hebrew Yonah.

With these rules, you can pretty much transliterate any Hebrew or Arabic name from one to the other, just from knowing the two alphabets. And so aside from the grammatical issues that have been explained to you and your friends a number of times, there is also the simple transliteration of it that doesn't work.

 

[Notanumber]

I was clearing out my bookshelf a couple of weeks ago when I came across an Arabic/English Quran translation I was given some time ago. I'd actually forgotten I still had it, but there it was on my shelf.

Now for the most part my interest in Islam has never really died away or gone from me totally, and it seems that in the past when I've tried to turn away, ignore or actively get rid of said interest in Islam, all that seems to happen is that it comes back even stronger than before. It's almost a game of tug-of-war where the harder I pull away, the more I'm pulled back.

I'm wondering though if I have in the past dismissed Islam as a religious path for trivial reasons or been too hasty to say Islam is not right for me for whatever reason. At the same time, I do not want to go down that path of getting really enthusiastic about something only to find I fall away after the initial sparkle has died away.

Should I try Islam again?

Websites like this should help you to make an informed decision.

Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth

From reading your opening post, I presume that you do not live in an Islamic community and that there is no peer pressure.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Websites like this should help you to make an informed decision.

Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth

From reading your opening post, I presume that you do not live in an Islamic community and that there is no peer pressure.

Unfortunately I think you've come too late with that link.

 

[Notanumber]

Unfortunately I think you've come too late with that link.

He has lapsed before, so he could do it again. If not, it may help others that face a similar problem.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

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What you had said was:

Personaly i looked into all religions and found great errors in the belief systems of other religions except Islam.​

But your explanation of the great errors that you found in other belief systems is...that they're not Islam? Because that's essentially what you're saying.
I mean, let me understand what you're saying here: your advice to a person looking into Islam is that you think Islam is the right choice because other religions don't believe in Muhammad, Jesus and John. And its for that reason the person should consider becoming Muslim.

That's the great errors that you found.

Also, in English, Muhammad is Muhammad, not Machamadim. It wouldn't make sense in Hebrew either since ماحاماديم. =/= مُحَمَّد . Its also not how Arabic names transliterate into Hebrew or Hebrew names into Arabic. Here are some examples:

إِسْمَاعِيْل = يشمَاعِيْل
عبد الله = عبد الله
زكريّا = زكريّه
مُحَمَّد = مُحَمَد​

There are always very few changes when moving from Hebrew to Arabic.
1. Hebrew words don't usually end with an ا (or ى) but with a ه. So when switching between languages with words that end in the one, you'll usually need to switch one for the other.
2. When ا is used as a vowel in Hebrew, it will present as a diacritic, not a letter.
3. Its not uncommon for there to be a switch between س and ش when moving between the languages. I can't think of any examples, but I'd imagine the same might be true for ت and ث.
4. Some sounds are not found in Arabic, so similar sounds or alternate sounds of a letter are used instead. For example, the Hebrew letter ב can make a /b/ or /v/ sound. But Arabic doesn't have the /v/ sound, so a ب is used instead. The same with the Hebrew פ that can be /p/ or /f/, but in Arabic will always be a ف. And the Hebrew vowel ו that can be either the long /o/ or long /u/ but in Arabic a و is always used.
5. The إِ at the beginning of a name is usually a ي in Hebrew (and pronounced يي)
6. There is no ّ in Hebrew. When there's two consonants, they'll both be written out.

Sometimes the word is transliterated from Hebrew, to another language and then into Arabic. So the words might look more dissimilar. For example يونس‎‎ which is obviously coming from the Latin Ionas instead of the Hebrew Yonah.

With these rules, you can pretty much transliterate any Hebrew or Arabic name from one to the other, just from knowing the two alphabets. And so aside from the grammatical issues that have been explained to you and your friends a number of times, there is also the simple transliteration of it that doesn't work.

Personaly i believe a religion that rejects some prophets and accepts other prophets cannot be the truth.
Jews would have accept Muhammad PBUH if he was jewish, thats the sad reality.
They threatened medina pagans that once the awaites prophet from Deut comes they(Jews) would become rulers. Then he came, and they saw he was arab so they rejected him because of vain desires and clear racism.


Machamadim is an respectful name used in Torah for Muhammad PBUH.
The jews cannot pronounce H.
Listen when they say Hamas they actually say Chamas. Or hezbullat they say Chazbullat.
So when the name Muhammad pbuh was revealed in psalms it was revealed according to the rules of hebrew.
For example they said Machamadim out of respect. It doesnt mean Muhammads(many muhammads).
U can compare that with Eloh+im. Does that mean Elohim is Gods? No!
IM is a respectful way of mentioning something.
Eloh=IM
Machamad=IM
If i accuse Jews to be polytheists because they say Elohim(gods).U would call me a madman!

I see in this great evidence for prophet Machamadim PBUH, Prophet Machamad PBUH.

Jews decides to reject Prophet Machamadim pbuh, it is their choice.
A choice that will lead to regret.

 

[Tumah]

Let me count the way you're wrong:

Personaly i believe a religion that rejects some prophets and accepts other prophets cannot be the truth.

So like how Islam not accepting prophet Zoroaster means that Islam cannot be the truth?

Jews would have accept Muhammad PBUH if he was jewish, thats the sad reality.

1. False. Jews wouldn't have accepted Muhmmad no matter what religion he's from. There have been a number of Jewish false prophets as well that we didn't accept.

They threatened medina pagans that once the awaites prophet from Deut comes they(Jews) would become rulers.

2. False. There is no prophecy that claims the Jews will rule the world. In the words of Maimonides, "there is no difference between this world and the Messianic Age besides for subjugation to the kingdom [of other nations]". In other words, during the Messianic Age, Israel will be ruled by a Jewish theocracy and that's it.

Then he came, and they saw he was arab so they rejected him because of vain desires

3. False. Its not clear what desires you're talking about. Jews have more rules than Muslims do, so becoming Muslim would give them more freedom to fulfill their desires.

and clear racism.

4. False. Jews and Arabs are the same race.

Machamadim is an respectful name used in Torah for Muhammad PBUH.

False. Machamdim is not a name. The plural is not used as a sign of respect, but like royalty, which Muhammad was not - and even in that case, only reserved for G-d - which again, Muhammad was not.

The jews cannot pronounce H.

5. False. Jews can pronounce the ح , ه and خ. Jews of European descent are customed to use the sound of a خ in place of a ح, but I've never met a Jew who couldn't pronounce both. Even my young daughter has done when she wanted to show me how she learned to count to five in Arabic from a friend.

Listen when they say Hamas they actually say Chamas. Or hezbullat they say Chazbullat.

That's because when the Modern Hebrew language was created, they made it a mixture of European and Middle Eastern customs of pronunciation. In Modern Hebrew, the ح is pronounced according to the European custom as خ. The same for ع which is pronounced like an ا.

So when the name Muhammad pbuh was revealed in psalms it was revealed according to the rules of hebrew.

6. Muhammad was not revealed in Psalms. And I think you mean Song of Songs. Another book that he wasn't revealed in.

For example they said Machamadim out of respect. It doesnt mean Muhammads(many muhammads).
U can compare that with Eloh+im. Does that mean Elohim is Gods? No!
IM is a respectful way of mentioning something.
Eloh=IM

7. False. Eloh-m is not a name, its a title. Muhammad is a name, not a title. There are 0 examples in Tanach of a name being given the plural out of respect.

Machamad=IM

8. False. Muhammad's name is not Mahamad.
Again, مُحَمَّد =/= ماحاماد
And again مُ حَ م مَ د =/= م ا ح ا م ا د

The real problem is that you've never taken the time to see if it actually makes sense in the context of the verse.

Also I am wondering, did your teacher teach you about three letter roots and how to make words from them when you were a child? It looks like not.

I see in this great evidence for prophet Machamadim PBUH, Prophet Machamad PBUH.

Because like your brothers, you were never trained to understand only to accept. Had you been capable of researching for yourself, you would not make this mistake. And in fact, that's why all non-Muslims agree that this makes no sense. Its only because you were trained to accept everything, that you can't believe that I'm right.

And it can't be evidence for you, when you have not seen it for yourself. What you are relying on is what you were told, not what the verse says, because you can't even read it for yourself to see it.

Jews decides to reject Prophet Machamadim pbuh, it is their choice.
A choice that will lead to regret.

Yes, we've heard it from you and the Christians. You guys love to end off with the "you'll regret it one day soon". Its kind of pathetic.

To be honest though, I'd like to see all of you start calling Muhammad Machamadim. In fact, for the sake of my Jewish brothers and sisters who may need a good laugh, I will help you out and start calling him Machamadim in all my posts from now on, Inshallah.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Tumah, i can challenge u to let God judge between us by destroying the liar.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Tumah, i can challenge u to let God judge between us by destroying the liar.

That's adorable.

 

[Kirran]

Tumah, i can challenge u to let God judge between us by destroying the liar.

Different understandings don't mean someone is lying.