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A serious question for the religious types about gay and trans people
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Thanks.*hugs*
It was a long time ago.
But still,
catch me in a mood or under certain circumstances and.....
Tom
Anyway , for you
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Do you not realize when this was written, and the fact that people used different words then to describe the same thing today. You need to understand the world of language, linguistics, as words do change and some are used in multiple ways, but the bible is clear on a man or a woman lying with there same to mean having sex with the same as one is, it's very clear, but man likes to believe it isn't, especially if one is gay.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Someone who is gay is not someone who does homosexual actions.
Can you tell the difference between someone's identity (which was not recognized years ago-not even in the early 80s) to what someone does behind doors?
The Steps of Salvation
The Bible teaches that sin is a transgression of God’s law (1 John 3:4). All people who know the difference between right and wrong have sinned (Romans 3:23). Our sins separate us from God (Isaiah 59:1-2). The punishment for sin is death (Romans 6:23). This is the second death which is the lake that burneth with fire (Revelation 21:8).
God loves us. He does not want us to be punished for our sins. Therefore, He has provided a way for us to be forgiven (John 3:16). God sent His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to die for our sins (1 John 4:10). Jesus suffered the punishment which we should have received for our sins (Isaiah 53:4-6). He did not die for His own sins, for He had none (2 Corinthians 5:21). He suffered for our sins on the cross so that we can be forgiven (Romans 5:6-8; 1 Peter 2:24). In order for us to be forgiven of our sins, and therefore receive eternal life, we must accept the salvation which Christ has made possible. There are five steps which we must take to receive this salvation.
Hear
First, we must hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches that faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17, KJV). One is not a Christian because his parents are. Faith cannot be inherited (Ezekiel 18:20). Each person must believe in Jesus Christ for himself. Christianity is a religion of teaching (Matthew 28:19-20). Unless one has heard the Gospel and learned that Jesus Christ died for his sins, was buried, and arose from the dead, he cannot be saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The apostle Paul wrote: How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? (Romans 10:14) One must first hear the Gospel before he can believe it.
Believe
Second, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God (Matthew 16:16). Jesus said: ...except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins (John 8:24). The jailor at Philippi asked Paul and Silas, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? They told him to Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house (Acts 16:30-31). Jesus also said: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned (Mark 16:16). One comes to believe in Jesus Christ when he hears the Gospel taught. Faith comes only by hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). This is the reason it is so important that the Gospel be preached to the whole world (Mark 16:15).
Repent
Third, one must repent of his sins in order to be saved (Acts 17:30-31). Jesus commanded that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name unto all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem (Luke 24:47). Repentance is a result of being sorry for one’s sins (2 Corinthians 7:10). When the Jews on Pentecost Day learned from Peter that they had crucified the Son of God, they were cut to the heart (Acts 2:37). They wanted to be forgiven of their sins, so they asked, What shall we do? They were told Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins... (Acts 2:37-38). When one repents, he turns away from his sins (1 Thessalonians 1:9). He shows he has repented by doing good works (Matthew 3:8).
Confess
Fourth, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God (Matthew 16:16). This great truth is the very foundation upon which the church of Christ is built (Matthew 16:18; Acts 4:11-12; 1 Corinthians 3:11). Jesus said that we must be willing to confess Him before men if we want Him to confess us before the Father (Matthew 10:32-33). The apostle Paul wrote: But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach: because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved: for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (Romans 10:8-10). When Philip preached Jesus to the Ethiopian eunuch, the eunuch asked, what doth hinder me to be baptized? Philip told him he could be baptized if he believed. The eunuch then confessed, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God (Acts 8:35-38). We must make this important, yet simple confession also in order to be saved.
Be Baptized
Fifth, one must be baptized in order to be saved. Jesus said: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved (Mark 16:16). Please note that baptism follows belief. One who does not believe the Gospel cannot be truly baptized. Therefore, babies cannot be baptized for they are too young to (1) have sin, (2) hear the Gospel, (3) repent of sins, and (4) confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Baptism also follows repentance. On Pentecost Day, Peter told those who asked what to do to be saved to Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you... (Acts 2:38). One cannot be truly baptized who has not truly repented.
Baptism is a burial in water (Romans 6:3-4; Colossians 2:12). Therefore, sprinkling and pouring are not proper baptism. Baptism is in order to be saved (Mark 16:16; 1 Peter 3:21). One is not saved before he is baptized! Baptism is unto the remission [forgiveness] of sins (Acts 2:38). Just as Jesus shed His blood for the remission of sins (Matthew 26:28), so we are baptized in order to receive the remission of sins. In baptism, the sinner’s sins are washed away by the blood of Jesus (Acts 22:16).
What does one have to do in order to be forgiven of his sins? He must
Are you saved from your sins? Have you taken these simple steps to salvation? If not, why not do so today?
L
The Bible teaches that sin is a transgression of God’s law (1 John 3:4). All people who know the difference between right and wrong have sinned (Romans 3:23). Our sins separate us from God (Isaiah 59:1-2). The punishment for sin is death (Romans 6:23). This is the second death which is the lake that burneth with fire (Revelation 21:8).
God loves us. He does not want us to be punished for our sins. Therefore, He has provided a way for us to be forgiven (John 3:16). God sent His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to die for our sins (1 John 4:10). Jesus suffered the punishment which we should have received for our sins (Isaiah 53:4-6). He did not die for His own sins, for He had none (2 Corinthians 5:21). He suffered for our sins on the cross so that we can be forgiven (Romans 5:6-8; 1 Peter 2:24). In order for us to be forgiven of our sins, and therefore receive eternal life, we must accept the salvation which Christ has made possible. There are five steps which we must take to receive this salvation.
Hear
First, we must hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches that faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17, KJV). One is not a Christian because his parents are. Faith cannot be inherited (Ezekiel 18:20). Each person must believe in Jesus Christ for himself. Christianity is a religion of teaching (Matthew 28:19-20). Unless one has heard the Gospel and learned that Jesus Christ died for his sins, was buried, and arose from the dead, he cannot be saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The apostle Paul wrote: How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? (Romans 10:14) One must first hear the Gospel before he can believe it.
Believe
Second, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God (Matthew 16:16). Jesus said: ...except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins (John 8:24). The jailor at Philippi asked Paul and Silas, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? They told him to Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house (Acts 16:30-31). Jesus also said: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned (Mark 16:16). One comes to believe in Jesus Christ when he hears the Gospel taught. Faith comes only by hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). This is the reason it is so important that the Gospel be preached to the whole world (Mark 16:15).
Repent
Third, one must repent of his sins in order to be saved (Acts 17:30-31). Jesus commanded that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name unto all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem (Luke 24:47). Repentance is a result of being sorry for one’s sins (2 Corinthians 7:10). When the Jews on Pentecost Day learned from Peter that they had crucified the Son of God, they were cut to the heart (Acts 2:37). They wanted to be forgiven of their sins, so they asked, What shall we do? They were told Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins... (Acts 2:37-38). When one repents, he turns away from his sins (1 Thessalonians 1:9). He shows he has repented by doing good works (Matthew 3:8).
Confess
Fourth, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God (Matthew 16:16). This great truth is the very foundation upon which the church of Christ is built (Matthew 16:18; Acts 4:11-12; 1 Corinthians 3:11). Jesus said that we must be willing to confess Him before men if we want Him to confess us before the Father (Matthew 10:32-33). The apostle Paul wrote: But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach: because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved: for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (Romans 10:8-10). When Philip preached Jesus to the Ethiopian eunuch, the eunuch asked, what doth hinder me to be baptized? Philip told him he could be baptized if he believed. The eunuch then confessed, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God (Acts 8:35-38). We must make this important, yet simple confession also in order to be saved.
Be Baptized
Fifth, one must be baptized in order to be saved. Jesus said: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved (Mark 16:16). Please note that baptism follows belief. One who does not believe the Gospel cannot be truly baptized. Therefore, babies cannot be baptized for they are too young to (1) have sin, (2) hear the Gospel, (3) repent of sins, and (4) confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Baptism also follows repentance. On Pentecost Day, Peter told those who asked what to do to be saved to Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you... (Acts 2:38). One cannot be truly baptized who has not truly repented.
Baptism is a burial in water (Romans 6:3-4; Colossians 2:12). Therefore, sprinkling and pouring are not proper baptism. Baptism is in order to be saved (Mark 16:16; 1 Peter 3:21). One is not saved before he is baptized! Baptism is unto the remission [forgiveness] of sins (Acts 2:38). Just as Jesus shed His blood for the remission of sins (Matthew 26:28), so we are baptized in order to receive the remission of sins. In baptism, the sinner’s sins are washed away by the blood of Jesus (Acts 22:16).
What does one have to do in order to be forgiven of his sins? He must
- Hear the Gospel of Christ;
- Believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God;
- Repent of all his past sins;
- Confess that Christ is God’s Son;
- Be baptized for the remission of sins.
Are you saved from your sins? Have you taken these simple steps to salvation? If not, why not do so today?
L
I absolutely agree with you.
The Bible is a homophobic old relic. It was written by scientifically and ethically primitive people many centuries ago.
That is the category it should be put in.
Nothing to do with God.
Tom
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I do not know quite how to take that. I am a lesbian.
1. Ask a gay person how he or she wants to be identified as.
Only there will you get your appropriate definition. How you just defined gay people is a complete insult to who they are and what they do. Basically calling us not human.
2. Many gay people use queer as an identity term. It is not slang anymore than calling you straight.
3. LGBTQT AND S includes pedophilia and bestiality.
4. We want rights to be treated as every straight person is.
Ask each individual person how they feel. I am for gay rights; and I am not an activist. Don't watch t.v. and guess based on what you see. Get to know people without bias.
I can't talk with you right now, though. What you have said is definitely not Christian, not Jesus' centered, and definitely against the rules of the General Forums and inappropriate for any debate forum.
Save that comment for Jesus on judgement day, and I'm sure he'll reply, although you're not gonna like his reply, but it doesn't have to be like that, as you still are alive, and this means you could repent and be baptized and go to Romans 16:16.
You know what?
I don't think you know anything important about Jesus, much less God. You have demonstrated that well enough for me.
Tom
God isn't bias and I am not being bias, so stop your lying. I simply stated what God says, and that the way people that live this lifestyle is an abomination, this is his words not mine, get your facts straight or don't reply to me as I can't stand a liar as you are.
I do not know quite how to take that. I am a lesbian.
1. Ask a gay person how he or she wants to be identified as.
Only there will you get your appropriate definition. How you just defined gay people is a complete insult to who they are and what they do. Basically calling us not human.
2. Many gay people use queer as an identity term. It is not slang anymore than calling you straight.
3. LGBTQT AND S includes pedophilia and bestiality.
4. We want rights to be treated as every straight person is.
Ask each individual person how they feel. I am for gay rights; and I am not an activist. Don't watch t.v. and guess based on what you see. Get to know people without bias.
I can't talk with you right now, though. What you have said is definitely not Christian, not Jesus' centered, and definitely against the rules of the General Forums and inappropriate for any debate forum.
Why would I believe that you know more about God than Neo Deist, St Frank, or Shiva Fan?
Tom
Wirey
Fartist
When did God write words?
You know what God is Jesus incarnate in human form, who came into this world and was called Jesus , and you have demonstrated total lack of biblical knowledge or the willingness to learn anything of the bible.
Don't believe me, believe the scriptures that I give, you have the ability to comprehend it just as I do. Tell me what this scripture means to you and I bet it means the same to me, ready? Mark 16:16, He that believeth and is, "and is" being a conjunction, He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, he that believeth not, shall be damned, now tell me what this means, as I know you will say it means the same as I would or anyone else with common sense would say.
This still doesn't give me a reason to believe that you know any more about Jesus than I do. I think you are doing the same thing Christians have always done.
Invent a Jesus in their own image and then worship it.
Tom
From Moses to John, and all in between, as each one of these individuals were divinely guided to write exactly what God directed them to write, nothing more, nothing less.
Wirey
Fartist
It means that God made me with a hole in my ability to believe. For having that hole, He'll damn me to an eternity of suffering, which was completely on Him in the first place, and even though you know He's like that you kiss his butt.
Just read your bible.
I have read and comprehended the Bible. It doesn't say what you want it to say.
Tom