Transgender people cannot be godparents, says Vatican

[Mindmaster]

I don't understand what you mean.
That seems to be the same thing I was saying. The local RCC parish and the Pope are more welcoming to me than the RF Catholics like St.Frank and the RF staff.
I am confused by your post.
Tom

Sorry, I can't see half of the convo, some people are on block. Catholics really don't give a damn most of the time whether or not you are Catholic. Anyway, I'm the wrong guy to ask. Gender to me is tab a, slot b, or combination. Not that I care much what sex someone dresses as either... I find it basically irrelevant, and overspoken about. To me, I think it matters what the parents want mostly on this issue. It's not like godparents really have much of a role, I find it silly to argue about it anyway. You can specify in a will directly through legal action who will tend to your kids and it's the only thing that matters in a court anyway. It's a matter of addressing the "problem" in a way that is never going to matter. The church can't keep your kids from the godparent of choice if you have papers -- that's about it.

 

[columbus]

The church can't keep your kids from the godparent of choice if you have papers -- that's about it.

I do understand that someone who is unfamiliar with Mother Church wouldn't understand the concept of godparent.
But that wasn't really what my post was about. That is doubtless why I was confused.
Tom

 

[Mindmaster]

I do understand that someone who is unfamiliar with Mother Church wouldn't understand the concept of godparent.
But that wasn't really what my post was about. That is doubtless why I was confused.
Tom

My godparents never did anything but attend a baptism... So much hype!

 

[columbus]

My godparents never did anything but attend a baptism... So much hype!

It was a bigger deal back when parents might well not survive to raise the children. Now it's more like honorary aunt/uncle.
My folks used to be rather in demand as godparent. They were conservative cradle Catholics, financially well off, and very big on kids. They had to turn people down.
Tom

 

[ZooGirl02]

As someone who has experience with the Catholic Church, this is not surprising to me in the least. They have some pretty outdated views.

 

[Desert Snake]

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/sep/03/transgender-people-cannot-be-godparents-says-vatican

The Vatican has told a Spanish bishop that transsexuals cannot be godparents after he asked for a formal answer on the matter, the cleric in the diocese of Cadiz and Ceuta said.

How Christian.

The definition of ''Christian'' seems to change per thread topic. Mind just choosing one and sticking with it?

 

[David1967]

I have no problem with this. The Vatican is under no obligation to please everybody.

You are right in the sense that no one has to be a Catholic.

 

[David1967]

I am not a Catholic, so I don't care what they say, it means nothing.

Exactly.

 

[David1967]

Doesn't surprise me. This is the same Vatican/Catholicism that said in order to test a women to see if she was a witch, was to throw her in the water and see if she drowned or swam. If she drowned, she was not a witch. Oops, sorry! But you are dead and in a better place now!

Or this;

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I have no problem with this. The Vatican is under no obligation to please everybody.

I'm of two minds about that. I appreciate the need for freedom of religion. On the other hand, the Catholic Church pushes for direct influence in many governments and demands a quasi-state status for itself in international affairs. Part of me says that if they want to be a country, then when they do unpleasant things, they should be subject to the same sorts of international pressure and sanctions as a country doing something similar.

 

[David1967]

I'm of two minds about that. I appreciate the need for freedom of religion. On the other hand, the Catholic Church pushes for direct influence in many governments and demands a quasi-state status for itself in international affairs. Part of me says that if they want to be a country, then when they do unpleasant things, they should be subject to the same sorts of international pressure and sanctions as a country doing something similar.

I could be wrong, but isn't Vatican city considered its own country?

 

[columbus]

I could be wrong, but isn't Vatican city considered its own country?

Only when the Vatican wants it.
It's really ridiculous. They can't supply themselves with water, but want to meddle in the UN.
Tom
ETA~ It's like your crazy uncle who lives off charity and government handouts who demands a seat in congress. Because he used to be important. And nobody has the balls to tell him he isn't any more ~

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I could be wrong, but isn't Vatican city considered its own country?

Kinda sorta. It gets very weird.

Vatican City is the entity with territory. The Holy See is the entity that has diplomatic relations with actual countries. Neither one has a permanent population, which is normally considered a requirement for statehood.

If either one is an actual country, then it's the last dictatorship in Europe. The fact that nobody seems to care about this is a bit of a giveaway that Vatican City/the Holy See isn't regarded as an actual country for most practical purposes.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If either one is an actual country, then it's the last dictatorship in Europe

Technically, it's an Absolute monarchy,[2] ecclesiastical[3] and elective[4] theocracy[5].

 

[Rick O'Shez]

- everyone who has been Baptized and Confirmed in the Church is a Catholic, end of story. You may be non-practicing. Hell, you may worship the Devil. But you're still considered a Catholic. Just a naughty one.

I am very naughty lapsed Catholic, but not in the devil-worshipping sense ( well, not yet, anyway ).

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I am very naughty lapsed Catholic, but not in the devil-worshipping sense ( well, not yet, anyway ).

Lol. I've been there. I believe in the faith, but I'm still naughty. Oops.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I am very naughty lapsed Catholic, but not in the devil-worshipping sense ( well, not yet, anyway ).

Come to our side! For you, we'll put up the tray of cookies and bring out the keg of Guinness!

 

[Apologes]

I think some of you folks misread the title. It says "godparents" not "good parents".

According to Catholicism, a godparent is a person responsible for influencing a religious upbringing of a child. Since an open transgender lifestyle goes against the Catholic ubringing, this seems fair enough.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Since an open transgender lifestyle goes against the Catholic ubringing, this seems fair enough.

There's trans Catholics, you know. I'm one of them. The hierarchy doesn't even understand what transgenderism or transsexualism even is. It's not a "lifestyle", for one.

 

[MountainPine]

It's not a "lifestyle", for one.

How it's not a lifestyle? Anything you choose to do with your life is a lifestyle. You chose sex change surgery, therefore it's a lifestyle.