djhwoodwerks
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@Hockeycowboy, you liked this post? The highlighted sentence is exactly what witnesses do. If someone doesn't agree with your beliefs, you label them as part of Christendom, satans organization.
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Let's Talk About the Holy Spirit
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@Hockeycowboy, you liked this post? The highlighted sentence is exactly what witnesses do. If someone doesn't agree with your beliefs, you label them as part of Christendom, satans organization.
So true! John 9:40-41 Proverbs 26:12 James 4:17
If a believer says to his self, "I can't see", then he either stops looking and becomes an unbeliever or he continues looking.
If a believer says to his self, "I can see!" then he stops trying to see it God's way, because he trusts in his own way now.
John 9:41
Someone who trusts in his or her own way is called, "following their own longing". 2 Peter 3:3
Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
I am no expert (no kidding! LOL) but I shall say they added a word here also. The word evil is assumed.
What does assume do? It makes an *** of u and me.
Cognate: 1939 epithymía (from 1909 /epí, "focused on" and2372 /thymós, "passionate desire") – properly, passion built on strong feelings (urges). These can be positive or negative, depending on whether the desire is inspired by faith (God's inbirthed persuasion). See 1937 (epithymeō).
Try replacing the opinion, "urges" with belief.
If a believer says to his self, "I can see!" then he stops trying to see it God's way, because he trusts in his own way now.
John 9:41
Someone who trusts in his or her own way is called, "following their own longing". 2 Peter 3:3
Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
I am no expert (no kidding! LOL) but I shall say they added a word here also. The word evil is assumed.
What does assume do? It makes an *** of u and me.
Cognate: 1939 epithymía (from 1909 /epí, "focused on" and2372 /thymós, "passionate desire") – properly, passion built on strong feelings (
Try replacing the opinion, "urges" with belief.
Mark 7:13 They have all assumed that the traditions handed down were works apart from God's Word. How does anyone know that he didn't mean misunderstandings of God's words were being passed down?
Traditions:
tradition, ordinance
From paradidomi; transmission, i.e. (concretely) a precept; specially, the Jewish traditionary law -- ordinance, tradition.
http://biblehub.com/greek/3862.htm
Full Definition of ordinance
law, rule, regulation, precept, statute, ordinance, canon mean a principle governing action or procedure. law implies imposition by a sovereign authority and the obligation of obedience on the part of all subject to that authority <obey the law>. rule applies to more restricted or specific situations <the rules of the game>. regulation implies prescription by authority in order to control an organization or system <regulations affecting nuclear power plants>. precept commonly suggests something advisory and not obligatory communicated typically through teaching <the precepts of effective writing>. statute implies a law enacted by a legislative body <a statute requiring the use of seat belts>. ordinance applies to an order governing some detail of procedure or conduct enforced by a limited authority such as a municipality <a city ordinance>.canon suggests in nonreligious use a principle or rule of behavior or procedure commonly accepted as a valid guide <the canons of good taste>.
Traditions:
tradition, ordinance
From paradidomi; transmission, i.e. (concretely) a precept; specially, the Jewish traditionary law -- ordinance, tradition.
http://biblehub.com/greek/3862.htm
Full Definition of ordinance
- 1a : an authoritative decree or direction : orderb : a law set forth by a governmental authority; specifically : a municipal regulation
- 2: something ordained or decreed by fate or a deity
- 3: a prescribed usage, practice, or ceremony
law, rule, regulation, precept, statute, ordinance, canon mean a principle governing action or procedure. law implies imposition by a sovereign authority and the obligation of obedience on the part of all subject to that authority <obey the law>. rule applies to more restricted or specific situations <the rules of the game>. regulation implies prescription by authority in order to control an organization or system <regulations affecting nuclear power plants>. precept commonly suggests something advisory and not obligatory communicated typically through teaching <the precepts of effective writing>. statute implies a law enacted by a legislative body <a statute requiring the use of seat belts>. ordinance applies to an order governing some detail of procedure or conduct enforced by a limited authority such as a municipality <a city ordinance>.canon suggests in nonreligious use a principle or rule of behavior or procedure commonly accepted as a valid guide <the canons of good taste>.
Define invalid: being without foundation or force in fact, truth, or law <an invalid assumption><declared the will invalid>b : logically inconsequent
Mark 7:13
But it can be considered bigotry by some people to try to warn other people that by their traditions of men they make God's Word of no consequence.
Matthew 5:48 Jeremiah 31:33
"Nobody can be perfect". That is correct. But why? Mark 7:13
Mark 7:13
But it can be considered bigotry by some people to try to warn other people that by their traditions of men they make God's Word of no consequence.
Matthew 5:48 Jeremiah 31:33
"Nobody can be perfect". That is correct. But why? Mark 7:13
God's Word by The Holy Spirit can make a person perfect. But can a changed word make a person perfect also? Mark 7:13
Lol! You either speak out of ignorance, or you're disingenuous. I know what I think.
That's a lot of faith you have in God's protection of obedient ones! (We're still around, they're not.)
So how would you show love to your enemy? I wouldn't be a part of any organized effort to kill you, but I guess you would me, if your govt told you to, huh? You would 'obey man as ruler, rather than God' (Acts of the Apostles 5:29)? Noted.
Let the world have its wars; Christians should be no part of it.
(BTW, America didnt "go to war" with Stalin. By the time the USA entered the war, Stalin was an ally.)
Yeah, and I still like it! Not knowing the truth is totally different than willful disregard of truth. And there's a lot of that! Which is why Jehovah and Jesus supports the witnessing work of the "good news of the Kingdom" - Matthew 24:14.
People know what the JWs do to those who leave. We can see it over and over again right here on the forums.
Imagine! People who call themselves "The Truth", but they can't even see what they themselves do, and they lie about it. Insight on the Scriptures (1988) Vol 2, Page 245
Ephesians 4:24 Exodus 23:7
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Is the English pronunciation for Jesus anywhere near the original biblical (Hebrew 101) name ? ________
This is a real enigma to me.....they will find every excuse not to use the name of "Jehovah", yet with "Jesus", who to them is equally God, they will not hesitate to use his anglicized name....go figure?
The Jehovah's Witnesses teach that wrongdoers (anyone who does not agree with all of JWs dogma) can contaminate the Christian Congregation. See; Keep Yourself in God's Love (2008) pages 207, 208.
It seems to me that is antithesis to this fine word called, "by The Holy Spirit". Romans 8:31-39
So then why the scriptures for separating from people walking not in accord with the BIBLE's true, really true word?
They know why, but they can't see past their noses or knowses.
"Losing precious fellowship with loved ones may help him to come to his senses". Keep Yourself in God's Love (2008) pages 207, 208
So, the disfellowshipping scriptures aren't written for the sake of a clean congregation. See Romans 8:31-39 They are for the ones whose hearts are not complete for Jehovah.
I think it is related to Jesus'wisdom which says we must become as little children to enter God's Kingdom. Children need the love of people and they want boundaries.
It seems to me that is antithesis to this fine word called, "by The Holy Spirit". Romans 8:31-39
So then why the scriptures for separating from people walking not in accord with the BIBLE's true, really true word?
They know why, but they can't see past their noses or knowses.
"Losing precious fellowship with loved ones may help him to come to his senses". Keep Yourself in God's Love (2008) pages 207, 208
So, the disfellowshipping scriptures aren't written for the sake of a clean congregation. See Romans 8:31-39 They are for the ones whose hearts are not complete for Jehovah.
I think it is related to Jesus'wisdom which says we must become as little children to enter God's Kingdom. Children need the love of people and they want boundaries.
Names in the Bible denote a role in God's purpose. "Jesus" (the human son of Mary) did not exist before his human birth. His name was given to him as a human...the meaning of his name is in accord with God's purpose in connection with his role as redeemer of the human race.
Ye·shuʹaʽ or Yehoh·shuʹaʽ means “Jehovah Is Salvation”. Salvation came to mankind the day "Jesus Christ" died. His blood redeemed every human being that was covered by his sacrifice. (But not all are covered if they refuse to become a Christian disciple of God's son)
Jesus said that Many would identify as Christians in the day for his judgment but he would reject "many" who were not living up to ALL the things he taught. (Matthew 7:21-23) Just calling Jesus your "Lord" is not enough.
"Michael" means "Who Is Like God?" and reflects the character of the Commander in Chief of all the angelic forces. As God's "only begotten son" his role reveals that he is exactly like his Creator. He carries out the will of his Father, not his own, which flies in the face of him being an equal deity with his God.
It was also prophesied that Jesus would have the name "Immanuel" which means, "With Us Is God". Yet I don't recall Jesus ever being called "Immanuel" except in prophesy.
God was certainly "with" the ones whom Jesus gathered to himself as his disciples.
But Jesus also talks about another name that he is given upon his return to heaven.....
Revelation 3:12
“‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name."
He makes mention of his "God" four times in that verse and says he has a "new name"....but he does not reveal it.
In the scriptures God reveals his name and says that this one name is the one by which all generations would identify him..."forever". (Exodus 3:15) God does not have many names, (Psalm 83:18 ASV) but Jesus does.
Recognizing the simple truth of the Bible's teachings does not require anything to be forced. Because Jesus is NOT GOD, he easily fits the roles that his Father assigned to him. It is only when you have the mindset that Jesus MUST BE GOD that you run into monumental obstacles.
Jesus was readily identified as a "servant" of his God and Father by his own apostles. (Acts of the Apostles 4:20)
They were in no doubt about the identity of their Messiah....he was "the son of the Living God" (Matthew 16:16)
The Father was their "one God" not their "Lord Jesus Christ". (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)
Jesus identified his Father as "the only true God". (John 17:3)
These are direct statements, so they need no explanation or 'tap dancing' to make a false doctrine fit in.
Before the foretold apostasy, there was no trinity in the teachings of Christ. There was no trinity in the Jewish religion at all....so as a Jew, Jesus never taught such a concept. It was introduced into the church hundreds of years after Jesus died. You can fight this...or you can acknowledge this simple truth. Only when you do can you comprehend the scope of God's purpose in connection with his "Holy Servant Jesus".
Those who "call on the name of Jehovah (YHWH) will be saved" (Romans 10:13 where Paul was quoting Joel 2:32)...this is what the scriptures teach. But in order to call on the name of YHWH (Yahweh, Jehovah) one must first know who he is. To illustrate....
In a room full of families with children, if a child called out "daddy!" how many of the "daddys" would turn around? But how many of the "daddys" would be the the right "daddy"?
We can call out to our "Father" but unless he recognizes us as one of his children, he will not answer our call. You must be a member of his family or desire to be.
Of course, Christ will not return today therefore we should not prophesy. Christ did it on the cross (once for all) and there will be no "again."
So your Jesus has fulfilled all that he is going to and he is not coming back to restore all that Adam and his wife lost for their children? Are you all just going to heaven to float around on clouds all day being blissful? Please tell me this is not so. Jesus made a promise to his disciples that he would return to take them "home" to a place he had prepared for them. They were not selected randomly as individuals with individual beliefs that each had gleaned for themselves from the Bible. They had to be a baptized member of God's spiritual family by accepting the teachings of his son.
God has used men to accomplish his will since he created them. He first had the Patriarchs who were the heads of clans or tribes. These were the spiritual overseers of all in the clan.
Job was such a Patriarch. Abraham was too and it was promised that through Abraham's family line, that God would provide the Messiah.
When the nation of Israel was formed, God preserved the lives of Jacob's family in Egypt, sending Joseph there well ahead of time. As time went on and new Pharaohs came to power, God's people were subjected to hard slavery, so again God sent a man, Moses whose life he had saved as an infant, to deliver his people. Other men were appointed to lead and to direct God's worshippers.....so it is apparent that God works through a collective...not through individuals who "think" they can do things on their own.
In Hebrews 13:17 Christians are told that they have to "Obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account. Let them do this joyfully, and not sadly, for that would be of no advantage to you." (RSVCE)
Whom do you obey? Who is keeping watch over your soul?
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I think it would be wise of you to stop quoting the twisted version of Hebrews 13:17In Hebrews 13:17 Christians are told that they have to "Obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account. Let them do this joyfully, and not sadly, for that would be of no advantage to you." (RSVCE)
Whom do you obey? Who is keeping watch over your soul?Is Christ looking at you "sadly"?
The form of the base word used there appears only once in scripture. Other Bible versions translate it have "confidence", but what scholars have said it means is "I persuade, urge".
Another scripture which teaches "obey" is Ephesians 6:1 and there it means "to listen to attentively with due responsiveness". That, I think, is an ok translation of Hebrews 13:17, but it is a different word.
Again, I shall say, that Hebrews 13:17 means to behave in a way that can make him who is taking the lead happy to do it. Keep persuading them that they are not wasting their time (like I am). Obey is SOOOOO much different.
The kind of "obey" used at Colossians 3:22 is the same as at Ephesians 6:1
A person has to wonder why the word written at Hebrews 13:17 wasn't this one? http://biblehub.com/greek/5218.htm
The fact that someone may disagree with your POV or mine does not mean they are void of the Spirit, lost souls, anything like that. When someone disagrees with me, for example, I reserve the right to be critical of their POV, but not their character. As I said before, the Holy Spirit does not cause a miracle by which we are no longer human and subject to error. Also, these issues are very complex and there is bound to be confusion. The fact some of the early fathers and Christians were confused about the Spirit in no way means they were lost souls or void of the Spirit or anything of the like, especially when Scripture is most ambiguous on this subject. If anything, being moved by the Spirit, having a mystical experience, for example, could led to greater confusion, as it lures us to move beyond the frontier where the precision of consciousness fails, into a deeper realm of experience than that represented by thought, sense, or the more specialized forms of conscious knowing, into a realm where a new dimension of reality is perceived, though no clear images are received. Novatian, for example, was against any discussion of teh Spirit, saying, "I possess its reality, though I comprehend it not." The early fathers poke of the "procession of the Spirit," but openly admitted they really could not define this concept. Athanasius pronounced inquiries into such matters to be quite foolhardy, the "audacity of madmen." Today, many sincere Christians have great trouble articulating the Trinity, and so resort to nonverbal ways of communicating, such as through drawings and pictures. Is the Spirit a person or a power? Is it God or some power or energy sent by God? Those are some of the major Christians that all Christians grapple with. Now, may be you think you have it all down, nice, neat, and tidy, and those fellow Christians who don't, who are confused, all lack the Spirit, but I tend to think that is a most arrogant, insensitive approach to take.
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ok...but then you have a means to express? ....the Holy Spirit
Gandhi demonstrated that passive resistance does work. Also, when you go to war, you do far more than just take out a few bad guys, the instigators: you always end up destroying the innocent, and that is not at all loving. If you think fire bombing Dresden, killing many children, is loving, you have an awfully twisted sense of love.
Christ very plainly said we are to love our enemies, and at a minimum, that means we should not inflict great torment on them.