Let's Talk About the Holy Spirit

[savagewind]

Let Jesus be the judge.

Let Jesus be the judge of what?

 

[savagewind]

John 12:47
John 8:15

 

[savagewind]

Jesus blessed the guards who had him killed but your governing body threatens people with annihilation just for a little friendly competition. Luke 23:34

Haha I know what you want to say.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Matthew 25: 41-46:
41 “Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. 42 For I became hungry, but you gave me nothing to eat; and I was thirsty, but you gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but you did not receive me hospitably; naked, but you did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but you did not look after me.’ 44 Then they too will answer with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying: ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”

If people end up in Gehenna for failing to render assistance to Christ's brothers, imagine what awaits those who bad mouth them and accuse them of lying? (Hebrews 13:17)

I understand that you have to take the position you do to justify your defection, but your relentless efforts are wasted. No sheep will be swayed by a thing you say....no goat will be swayed by anything we say. The judgment is not our call....we just know where the two roads lead. The sheep will find it but the goats are busy feeding on poison in the wrong pasture.

Let Jesus be the judge.

Matthew 12:46-50 (ESV Strong's) 46 While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. 48 But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 50 For "whoever" does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Sounds like a lot more than 144,000 to me!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Please spare me....I am fully capable of praying for myself...and others who might be reading what I post.....we don't pray to the same God...believe me.

There's that WT pride and arrogance.

 

[james2ko]

Merely repeating what Jesus says to those who claim "powerful works" in Jesus' name. (Matthew 7:21-23) they are no proof of the holy spirit...sorry.

Don't apologize to me, save it for Christ for taking His words out of context. The term "pas" [everyone] in Mat 7:21 is not absolute. It is qualified by its context . It refers back to "everyone" [pas] of the false prophets from verse 15 , which Christ indicated can be identified by their "bad" fruits (vs 20).

My wife's dream, which helped another human being get the help they needed from an abusive relationship, is not bad fruit. Neither is her gift of discerning spirits, which warns a person to keep away from someone with an evil spirit . That would place satan against satan ..Jesus stated that cannot be. You have yet to answer my question on where in scripture is satan allowed to go into someone's dream for the benefit of another human being?

The angel of light is a trickster

A trickster who can be identified by his fruits (Matthew 7:20). If you were allowed to think for yourself, you would easily discern since Jesus stated satan cannot cast out satan (Matthew 12:26), we can conclude these false prophets from Matthew 7:22 never casted out one demon or did one miracle. They were lying to Jesus! It's no wonder He wanted nothing to do with them.

Spiritistic practices were forbidden in Israel. (Deut 18:9-12) They were deemed to be the work of the devil who could mimic many of the miracles that God's servants could accomplish.

Let's get the correct context of Deu 18:9-12:

Deu 18:9 "When you come into the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations.​

Israelites have to make an effort to learn to follow those wicked practices . My wife has never made an effort in learning to follow any of those abominations, deeje. I'm afraid you are committing an unpardonable sin.

 

[james2ko]

There's that WT pride and arrogance.

It rears its ugly head like clockwork...And to think with that attitude, which I've seen time and time again from other JW's, she wants us to believe she belongs to the one and only "true" church. smh...

 

[Deeje]

Matthew 12:46-50 (ESV Strong's) 46 While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. 48 But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 50 For "whoever" does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Sounds like a lot more than 144,000 to me!

Sometimes your comments are so child-like. You didn't highlight the other words that explained what Jesus meant....."For "whoever" does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Can you not clearly see that Jesus was telling those people that his fleshly family who were outside asking for him, was one thing, but his spiritual family was equally important to him.
He proved this by entrusting his mother's care to the apostle John just before his death, even though he had at least 4 younger brothers. (John 19:25-27) Her spiritual welfare came before her physical well being.

 

[savagewind]

Is The Holy Spirit a slave to Jehovah? JWs say that the holy spirit is God's power for God to do as God pleases. Like a slave?

It is written, "happy is that slave when his master finds him doing so". Is it the word him that gets the JWs stumbled? But him is a modern translation to English from an ancient language. It might be an "it". You have to admit it might be, you're Bible students, for goodness sake!

Happy is that slave if its master finds it doing so Matthew 24:46

Is it written anywhere, anywhere at all, that The Holy Spirit might have feelings? Like, maybe, feelings which are the opposite of happy?*

Let's think. Um. WHY would any human beings change the faithful and discreet slave from a heavenly spirit to a human group? Let's think hard on this.

*I know there is, but it might be fun to see if a JW can access their "all scripture inspired" mindset. You won't find the answer in the Watchtower.

 

[JesusBeliever]

Matthew 25: 41-46:
41 “Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. 42 For I became hungry, but you gave me nothing to eat; and I was thirsty, but you gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but you did not receive me hospitably; naked, but you did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but you did not look after me.’ 44 Then they too will answer with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying: ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”


If people end up in Gehenna for failing to render assistance to Christ's brothers, imagine what awaits those who bad mouth them and accuse them of lying? (Hebrews 13:17)

Think about this Deeje, when did we see you naked? Could it possibly have been when we sought to cover you with prayer? But you said "spare me!" When did we see you hungry and thirsty and not try to feed you with the Scripture and a stranger and not treat you hospitably by writing many replies to your hostile and judgmental posts. If you are wrong about the JWs sister which we believe you are, than you are sick and in prison and whether you recognise it or not we're actually here taking care of you by taking the time to minister to you. So even if you were right about the JWs, all the Lord would have to do is a quick review of this thread to see that we have indeed fed you, been hospitable, tried to clothe you and look after you:

"Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins." 1 Peter 4:8

I suppose the same could be said of you too, as we've also had our moments of giving hostile and judgmental replies. So according to this, whether you're wrong or we're wrong we'll all be saved for trying to help eachother.

I understand that you have to take the position you do to justify your defection...

No defectors here Deeje, just followers of Christ trying to keep His commandments!

 

[savagewind]

No defectors here Deeje, just followers of Christ trying to keep the above commandment!

Dear @JesusBeliever I did defect. But I never actually was dedicated to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses, so, maybe Heaven does not see me as a defector.

Interesting word defect is. LOL Aha! English language proof we are mentally diseased, in line to be deceased.

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011524

6 How can we protect ourselves against false teachers? The Bible’s counsel regarding how to deal with them is clear. (Read Romans 16:17; 2 John 9-11.) “Avoid them,” says God’s Word. Other translations render that phrase “turn away from them,” “keep away from them,” and “stay away from them!” There is nothing ambiguous about that inspired counsel. Suppose that a doctor told you to avoid contact with someone who is infected with a contagious, deadly disease. You would know what the doctor means, and you would strictly heed his warning. Well, apostates are “mentally diseased,” and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings. (1 Tim. 6:3, 4) Jehovah, the Great Physician, tells us to avoid contact with them. We know what he means, but are we determined to heed his warning in all respects?

 

[savagewind]

I think it is simply amazing we all seem to be having the same bad dream. A dream because how can anyone who knows God's holy Word actually not know it at the same time?

They have changed Jesus' last words for us, "go be my disciples to all the nations, baptizing them and teaching them", into "stay by the governing body (those hearers: "who lord, where?" The Lord, "no, not for you, just write it down") and AWAY from the false teachers, or die". (those hears, "or die, say what?" The Lord, "No! NOT YOU. You will die I will bring you back. Them, "To heaven"? The Lord, "No! Please pay attention, no, scratch that, just write it down. You won't be going to heaven, because i am dead".
Them: "Who really is this fool we were following? Let's just go home, there is nothing for us here".

 

[JesusBeliever]

I think it is simply amazing we all seem to be having the same bad dream. A dream because how can anyone who knows God's holy Word actually not know it at the same time?

It's an age old trick! The Pharisees had it too! It's called the tradition of the Elders!

 

[savagewind]

6 How can we protect ourselves against false teachers? The Bible’s counsel regarding how to deal with them is clear. (Read Romans 16:17; 2 John 9-11.) “Avoid them,” says God’s Word. Other translations render that phrase “turn away from them,” “keep away from them,” and “stay away from them!” There is nothing ambiguous about that inspired counsel. Suppose that a doctor told you to avoid contact with someone who is infected with a contagious, deadly disease. You would know what the doctor means, and you would strictly heed his warning. Well, apostates are “mentally diseased,” and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings. (1 Tim. 6:3, 4) Jehovah, the Great Physician, tells us to avoid contact with them. We know what he means, but are we determined to heed his warning in all respects?

I was sick and you looked after me Matthew 25:36

Somebody asked for an example of Watchtower propaganda. How is that one which shamelessly contradicts God's word?

 

[JesusBeliever]

6 How can we protect ourselves against false teachers? The Bible’s counsel regarding how to deal with them is clear. (Read Romans 16:17; 2 John 9-11.) “Avoid them,” says God’s Word. Other translations render that phrase “turn away from them,” “keep away from them,” and “stay away from them!” There is nothing ambiguous about that inspired counsel. Suppose that a doctor told you to avoid contact with someone who is infected with a contagious, deadly disease. You would know what the doctor means, and you would strictly heed his warning. Well, apostates are “mentally diseased,” and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings. (1 Tim. 6:3, 4) Jehovah, the Great Physician, tells us to avoid contact with them. We know what he means, but are we determined to heed his warning in all respects?

I was sick and you looked after me Matthew 25:36

Somebody asked for an example of Watchtower propaganda. How is that one which shamelessly contradicts God's word?

So it would seem that we're supposed to avoid them rather than greet them as we've been doing (Romans 16:17; 2 John 9-11; 1 Timothy 6:3,4)
I have been wondering the last few days since having that dream about the bitter root, whether I was supposed to eventually leave this thread.
You used an interesting choice of words yesterday (I think it was) when you said a Den of Lions.
Coz that's what I had walked into in my dream.
Except there was a Lion called Christian in there that embraced me. And if that Lion represents Christ (Revelations 5:5) I definitely feel that's been accomplished even more through this thread. And in case anyones tempted to think the Lion represents Satan (1 Peter 5:8), don't forget Satan devours while Jesus saves. And take it from me, I know what it is like to be both devoured by Satan and saved by Jesus!

"Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives." Hebrews 2:14-15

Anyway, the Lions Den in my dream turned into a Circus, shortly after ripping out the bitter root. leaving the trainer of Christian the Lion to clean up.

These verses came to mind while reading your post (being the last I intend to read on this thread):

"And Jesus answered and said to them, "It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick. "I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance."" Luke 5:31-32

May God Bless You All (Matthew 5:43-44)
And maybe I'll see you around on other threads!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Sometimes your comments are so child-like.

Thank you!

Matthew 18:2-4 (ESV Strong's) 2 And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them 3 and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 10:21 (ESV Strong's) “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Matthew 12:46-50 (ESV Strong's) 46 While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. 48 But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 50 For "whoever" does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Sounds like a lot more than 144,000 to me!

".....and sister and mother." Don't forget that. Lol. (What's the punishment for twisting God's word?)

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Thank you!

Matthew 18:2-4 (ESV Strong's) 2 And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them 3 and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 10:21 (ESV Strong's) “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will.

So, Scriptural truth has been revealed to you, huh? But don't you believe in Hellfire?

 

[savagewind]

The Watchtower has never lied to me in my life.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/galatians/2/

15 We who are Jews by birth, and not sinners from the nations, 16 recognize that a man is declared righteous, not by works of law, but only through faith+ in Jesus Christ.+ So we have put our faith in Christ Jesus, so that we may be declared righteous by faith in Christ and not by works of law, for no one*will be declared righteous by works of law.+ 17 Now if we have also been found sinners while seeking to be declared righteous by means of Christ, is Christ then sin’s minister? Certainly not! 18 If the very things that I once tore down I build up again, I demonstrate that I am a transgressor. 19 For through law I died toward law,+ so that I might become alive toward God. 20 I am nailed to the stake along with Christ.+ It is no longer I who live,+ but it is Christ who is living in union with me. Indeed, the life that I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God,+who loved me and handed himself over for me.+ 21 I do not reject* the undeserved kindness of God,+ for if righteousness is through law, Christ actually died for nothing.+

Why do you think that the JWs have added the word "union" there? It is because the governing body wants you for themselves so they added that you can be in union with him, but should not look for Christ IN you. Also, they say most of the NT is not for Deeje, but for only 144,000. Only the places that put you in subjection to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses and in subjection to the elders is written for you.

http://biblehub.com/text/galatians/2-20.htm

As though you care, I will tell you how to do it. Go to the page and click on the word that is causing some confusion and you will see where else in scripture the same word was written.

The English word is in, the Greek is ἐν and the transliteration is en. Click on en and look for anything that gives any evidence for the Watchtower translation, "union".

They use in union with to denote that he and they are in agreement.

Another example of blatant propaganda.

Why did they add the word "union"?

 

[savagewind]

".....and sister and mother." Don't forget that. Lol. (What's the punishment for twisting God's word?)

Hi @Hockeycowboy Galatians 2:20 as written is able to lead a person to believe he or she can find Christ on her own because it is written that Christ lives in her. Of course, most people do not come easily or quickly to the conclusion that Christ is in agreement or "in union" with them but they know he has promised a helper and that as we go our way being his disciples, he promised to be with us. I do not know if you can seriously stretch the meaning of union with to mean just plain with. Can you? I suppose you will either ignore my question just like you have ignored the other 100 questions, or you can insult me like JW do for some reason or other or you can TWIST the word union to simply mean "with", but it says in. What do you want to do?

What IS the punishment for twisting God's words?