Let's Talk About the Holy Spirit

[djhwoodwerks]

Jesus calls his anointed with an Archangel's voice....why would the most important personage in the universe, (next to God himself,) call his "brothers" from their graves with the voice of a lesser creature?

Using this logic, why would God use the life of a lesser creature to sacrifice for mankind?

The man Jesus did not exist before he was born as a human on earth, but the spirit creature whose life was transferred to the womb of Mary was God's "firstborn" son. Is Jesus called a "firstborn" and is he a "son" in the sense of the word as we understand it? If not then where will I find a different definition of those words as they pertain to Jesus?

Yes, Jesus is God's "firstborn", but not "firstborn of all creation". There were many born before He was.

So, you're saying that Col 1:15 is referring to Michael?

Colossians 1:15-16 (ESV Strong's) 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

Michael was his name before his sojourn on earth and when he returned to heaven, he resumed that position because even in heaven, YHWH is still his "God". (Revelation 3:12)

By using the word "position" do you mean that Jesus became an archangel again, He took on the name Michael again, or both?

 

[NadiaMoon]

I'm not christian, but it is of my beliefs that "The Holy Spirit" is Sophia the Goddess of Wisdom.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I said the son was born a servant to the father if the first-born was Michael. Is that what you want to believe?

Acts of the Apostles 4:27; Acts of the Apostles 4:30.

 

[savagewind]

Acts of the Apostles 4:27; Acts of the Apostles 4:30.

OK. Please pay attention. We are talking about Michael. I agree with you that the man Jesus was God's servant. Luke 22:42
But, you say Jesus was Michael first. I know the seed in Mary was "the first born of all creation". Agree? Then when Michael was born a man, the word was to call him "Jesus". You say the first born of Mary was an angel. And the first born of God was an angel. Angels are servants. @Deeje says some might be more than just attendants, agents, or messengers of God, but I suspect she is making that up. So, an angel is created to serve. Was the one who would become Jesus created to serve? You say, "yes, because he was the angel Michael". I say, "ridiculous!". God is love. 4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8Love never fails
God is love.

Does love sound like something that would give birth to a servant?

LOL @Deeje knows. She is intelligent, so she presumes that not all angels are servants. She is so cute! I miss her when she is gone.

 

[savagewind]

How many people in the history of the world have wished that their offspring might be born to serve?

 

[JesusBeliever]

Your what is in the same boat?

Oh sorry, those emoticons were pointing down to my story in my signature.

 

[Deeje]

I'm a non-Christian, so, I'm going to Hell? What about blasphemy? Not blaspheming anything, either, that is part of my Scripture

The Bible's hell is simply the grave (Eccl 9:5, 10)...there is no eternal damnation except death from which no one awakens. God has no need or desire to punish people eternally in a conscious state.
Everlasting life is promised only to the righteous, but in order to punish people forever, they would have to live forever...that is not what the Bible teaches.
The opposite of life is death. Christendom teaches that the opposite of life is torture.

Simply put, Jesus said 'whoever is not on my side is against me'. (Matthew 12:20) Are you on side with Jesus and what he taught? Or do you prefer to hang around the peripherals without making a decision one way or another? This is decision time. Once Jesus comes to make his judgment, there is no going back, so we must weigh everything up very carefully.

There is no fence to sit on because there are only "sheep" and "goats" in this world. Since counterfeit Christians are rejected by Jesus at that time, (Matthew 7:21-23) "many" who imagine that they are Christians will be very disappointed that their claim of Jesus as their "Lord" will be rebuffed as ones he NEVER knew. They have accepted beliefs that he never taught and performed powerful works in the power of God's adversary, who promotes himself as "an angel of light". No one is deceived who doesn't want to be. (2 Thess 2:9-12)

Either we are on the road to life, doing things God's way.....or we are on the road to death because we want to do things our way. The judge knows who we are, but the majority are deceived. (Matthew 7:13, 14)

 

[Deeje]

Having other gods before the true God can be forgiven and so can the sins of hypocrisy and self-righteousness. But the sin of blasphemy against the holy spirit, as you have also committed by suggesting the work of the holy spirit in my wife is the work of the devil, will not (Matthew 12:31-32).

Merely repeating what Jesus says to those who claim "powerful works" in Jesus' name. (Matthew 7:21-23)They are no proof of the holy spirit...sorry. The angel of light is a trickster. Spiritistic practices were forbidden in Israel. (Deut 18:9-12) They were deemed to be the work of the devil who could mimic many of the miracles that God's servants could accomplish.

 

[Deeje]

Can we 3 agree to pray for Deeje?:

"Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Matthew 18:19-20

Please spare me....I am fully capable of praying for myself...and others who might be reading what I post.....we don't pray to the same God...believe me.

 

[Deeje]

Maybe WT reasoning, but not scripture reasoning.

You are free to reject whatever you like. That is the whole point of the preaching work that Jesus told us to do. We are just the messengers. Your response to the message is his business, not ours. He is the judge, but keep in mind that he said "few" are on the road to life. (Matthew 7:13, 14) The "good news of the kingdom" comes with a warning like the people in Noah's day received.....they took no notice of what Noah told them and perished because they refused to believe a word he said. (Matthew 24:37-39) History repeats.....

 

[Deeje]

So it isn't ''Hell''. There is no reason to use the word ''Hell''. I however do believe in literal Hells

Why? What makes you believe that places of torture after death even exist?

 

[savagewind]

Please spare me....I am fully capable of praying for myself...and others who might be reading what I post.....we don't pray to the same God...believe me.

You have the nerve to say that we do not worship right and you prove it by saying that it is written some people will think they serve the true God but Jesus will say they don't. Do you know what it means to walk in another's person's shoes? Can you do that? After you have, please let us know that what Jesus warned about doesn't apply to you. Why is it not possible that you might be wrong?

Oh yes, I remember. It is because Jehovah "trusts the governing body". Sometimes I picture you as a very intelligent person. That is why I am blown away at some of the stupid things you believe in.

Might you dare ask Jehovah, "Do you trust the governing body?"

 

[savagewind]

Not once in all my years as a Jehovah's Witness did I even think, "Jehovah trusts the governing body".
The governing body confess to being just like the members of their flock. @ Deeje, do you believe that Jehovah trusts you? Maybe you do, I do not know. What Bible teaching would that be, in your opinion?

You might say that you prayed sincerely about becoming a JW and you trusted it was God's will for you. I do not doubt it was! But please, be able to see the difference between God's will for you and who the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses represents to Jehovah.
Maybe you trust that God would not have ever led you into a den of lions. Why might you believe that?

 

[Deeje]

Your obsession with our governing body is duly noted. Is there some reason you can't hate them quietly? Bad mouthing Christ's brothers doesn't lead to a good outcome.

 

[savagewind]

Your obsession with our governing body is duly noted. Is there some reason you can't hate them quietly? Bad mouthing Christ's brothers doesn't lead to a good outcome.

Did the prophets prophesy silently? Do YOU hate silently? No! You don't.

Why not answer the question?

 

[savagewind]

Bad mouthing Christ's brothers doesn't lead to a good outcome.

Ooops! Another Deeje mistake. Matthew 12:32

 

[savagewind]

Wait a minute! What is badmouthing? Is saying that I never once believed that Jehovah trusted the governing body badmouthing? Or maybe it was calling them a den of lions. Which one?

If it might make you feel any better, I don't believe Jehovah trusts the Pope either.

 

[savagewind]

I am not going to pay you for being my straight man @Deeje. It is OK. You can report me. I hope that you know I am not being sarcastic when I say that I love you and i miss you.

Ephesians 4:25 Ephesians 5:4

 

[Deeje]

Another Deeje mistake. Matthew 12:32

Matthew 25: 41-46:
41 “Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. 42 For I became hungry, but you gave me nothing to eat; and I was thirsty, but you gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but you did not receive me hospitably; naked, but you did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but you did not look after me.’ 44 Then they too will answer with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying: ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”

If people end up in Gehenna for failing to render assistance to Christ's brothers, imagine what awaits those who bad mouth them and accuse them of lying? (Hebrews 13:17)

I understand that you have to take the position you do to justify your defection, but your relentless efforts are wasted. No sheep will be swayed by a thing you say....no goat will be swayed by anything we say. The judgment is not our call....we just know where the two roads lead. The sheep will find it but the goats are busy feeding on poison in the wrong pasture.

Let Jesus be the judge.

 

[savagewind]

Matthew 25: 41-46:
41 “Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. 42 For I became hungry, but you gave me nothing to eat; and I was thirsty, but you gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but you did not receive me hospitably; naked, but you did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but you did not look after me.’ 44 Then they too will answer with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying: ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”

If people end up in Gehenna for failing to render assistance to Christ's brothers, imagine what awaits those who bad mouth them and accuse them of lying? (Hebrews 13:17)

I understand that you have to take the position you do to justify your defection, but your relentless efforts are wasted. No sheep will be swayed by a thing you say....no goat will be swayed by anything we say. The judgment is not our call....we just know where the two roads lead. The sheep will find it but the goats are busy feeding on poison in the wrong pasture.

Let Jesus be the judge.

Oh man. First of all you have TWISTED what Jesus said. He said we are judged by what we DON'T do to his brothers, not what we do do.

Oh no, I hope they aren't teaching you that we should not say anything that might make them look bad or Jehovah is going to have us killed. I hope that that nonsense is coming straight from you. I don't know why. Maybe because there might be eight million of you. That would be quite a flood!