Jesus was Black

[gnostic]

in Ancient Greece, during the archaic period, pottery were often painted, representing historical and mythological figures. how they painted and fired the pottery, the figures were painted black with reddish orange background. This style of painting was known as Black Figure.

Does that mean the Greeks were black as those in Africa?

But in the late archaic period and throughout the classical period, the Greek pottery painters began to reverse their style having black background and the figures were painted red or reddish orange, known as the Red Figure style.

Does that mean the Greeks changed from black to red people?

I don't see how that possible. The style of painting is not indicative of what skin color have.

Contemporary to the red figure styles with pottery paintings, are wall paintings that have different style of painting, which depicted the figures in more natural looking colours, showing Greeks as they are now Mediterranean complexion of olive tone and sometimes fairer in color. And this point, the painting colours of skin of the figures matched those in the Bronze Age Minoan wall paintings, some figures are white (more often women) and some are reddish.

But as Kelly of the Phoenix and David McCann have pointed out Nubians did conquer Egypt in one or two period, as did Egypt conquer Nubia several times in its history, so some paintings are actual indicative of the skin color of certain people. Several times, Egyptian rulers would employ or use Nubian warriors as mercenaries. But these are not indicative that all Egyptians were black.

 

[VioletVortex]

Actually, he was a Jew. He had the dark-ish skin typical of the Middle Eastern people, and curly dark hair.

He wasn't really black by most definitions. However, it would be more accurate to describe him as black than white.

 

[Sister Cyber]

Did i forget anyone?

Tes, the Israelites, key to Jesus' heritage.

Jesus wasn't "Jewish" (like a Jew, like "greenish" is like green....)

Somebody has taken the promise of God and claimed it for themselves. To all of those who feel that the children of Israel are over in that place they call Israel, you are mistaken. For over 60 years, that nation has NOT been blessed.

As for those who refuse to believe truth and choose to embrace lies they have been taught....

2 Timothy 3:6-8
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

If you can watch a movie, take the time to listen to Minister Louis Farrakhan break it down in "Who Are The Real Children Of Israel?"

 

[psychoslice]

The God that I know is colored blind.

 

[Sister Cyber]

in Ancient Greece, during the archaic period, pottery were often painted, representing historical and mythological figures. how they painted and fired the pottery, the figures were painted black with reddish orange background. This style of painting was known as Black Figure.

Does that mean the Greeks were black as those in Africa?

Actually, like the "Jewish," moved in and claimed the place called Israel today as their homeland, the Greeks stole what they came to call "their" history, so those artifacts weren't even created by the Greeks from Egypt, and truth be told, there is no such thing as Greek philosophy. A good book to read that spells this out for you is The Stolen Legacy by Dr. George G. M. James. Socrates, Plato, Pythagoras, Aristotle and many more were misplaced, considering that what they taught had already existed thousands of years in in Africa, and those so-called philosophers studied in Africa early on, then returned home and began teaching what their people saw as foreign - so foreign that each major "philosopher" including Aristotle had to flee from their own land for what they taught. The many Greek conquerers that had taken over Egypt for in particular for centuries to follow would consistently looted the temples and royal libraries and even kidnapped gthe priests and scholars to extract their knowledge for their countries' own growth. Do your own research.

The God that I know is colored blind.

Interesting. The God I know is All-Seeing....

 

[oldbadger]

Interesting. The God I know is All-Seeing.........

Sister Cyber,
Hello...
You have written a lot, but please, could you do me the kindness of giving a very few and very short answers?
1. What skin colour do you think Jesus had?
2. Which country do you think that Jesus came from?
3. How diod Jesus come to be living and working along the Capernaum shoreline?
4. Whast do you think that Jesus's vopcation was?

That would do for now.

 

[Sister Cyber]

You have written a lot, but please, could you do me the kindness of giving a very few and very short answers?

Absolutely not. Reading is fundamental. With all due respect, the answers to your questions that are relevant to this topic are outlined in my somewhat lengthy comments, and you will find them there if you take the time to read those comments, perhaps even learning something you may not have been aware of or were deceived from by mainstream teachings.

I will not entertain comments not relevant to this topic, so I suggest you start a new thread if you want to talk about Jesus' birth in Bethlehem, his trade as a carpenter and his business in Capernaum. That's not the aim of discussion in this Discussion. Thank you.

 

[illykitty]

Echo... Echo... Echo...

I don't think the OP is interested in discussion, as so many replies were ignored as they don't fit in with their made up narrative.

Anyway, I agree with others, that if Jesus existed at all, he would most likely look like a middle eastern man, not the white blonde portraits so common nor black.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Tes, the Israelites, key to Jesus' heritage.

Jesus wasn't "Jewish" (like a Jew, like "greenish" is like green....)

Somebody has taken the promise of God and claimed it for themselves. To all of those who feel that the children of Israel are over in that place they call Israel, you are mistaken. For over 60 years, that nation has NOT been blessed.

As for those who refuse to believe truth and choose to embrace lies they have been taught....

2 Timothy 3:6-8
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

If you can watch a movie, take the time to listen to Minister Louis Farrakhan break it down in "Who Are The Real Children Of Israel?"

Sing along, everybody

 

[gnostic]

Actually, like the "Jewish," moved in and claimed the place called Israel today as their homeland, the Greeks stole what they came to call "their" history, so those artifacts weren't even created by the Greeks from Egypt, and truth be told, there is no such thing as Greek philosophy.

Did I say anything about Greek philosophy?

I was talking about arts.

I was talking about paintings and painters, not philosophy and philosophers.

And how the colours used in don't necessarily indicate that's the colour of their actual skins, of whom the painters trying to depict.

And one of the reasons why I brought up the pottery paintings of Ancient Greece: the Black Figure style and Red Figure style, is to show that colours of skins don't really matter much.

In Egyptian paintings, you have all sort people of different colours: red, white, yellow, black and even few green ones.

And finally, there were no Greek conquerors of Egypt. The Egyptians welcomed the Greek-speaking Macedonians, when Alexander came, and Egypt was later ruled by Ptolemy and his descendants.

As to Greek philosophy, I don't know much of philosophies to comment on much influences the Egyptian philosophy have on the Greek ones.

 

[oldbadger]

Absolutely not. Reading is fundamental. With all due respect, the answers to your questions that are relevant to this topic are outlined in my somewhat lengthy comments, and you will find them there if you take the time to read those comments, perhaps even learning something you may not have been aware of or were deceived from by mainstream teachings.

I will not entertain comments not relevant to this topic, so I suggest you start a new thread if you want to talk about Jesus' birth in Bethlehem, his trade as a carpenter and his business in Capernaum. That's not the aim of discussion in this Discussion. Thank you.

I only asked some basic questions. You could not answer, yet suggested that I have some agenda or other?
I had no agenda, I simply wanted short concise answers. You had none.
I am sad about that.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

I think they say he is because they want him to be that skin color. I believe Nazis back then thought Jesus was Aryan too. I don't think he was black or aryan, he probably looked like any other middle eastern person. Light brown skin, dark brown hair and so forth.

 

[columbus]

Ok, here's the Captain Obvious answer:

Jesus was a black man.

A few hundred thousand years ago God created man in His own image. This happened in Africa, so clearly God is black. The He created women, so that people would have vessels in which to plant their seeds. So man could be fruitful and multiply. Which they did. They began to spread around the world and took their women with them.
Millennia later, the guys who populated certain northern places had developed a condition. But their melanin deficiency wasn't a fatal problem. So it was all Good.

However, when God implanted His Son in that purest of vessels, Mary, He had not suffered from the melanin problem. So His Seed was still properly pigmented.

Ergo, Jesus was a black man.
Tom

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...


Columbus; Yer I like that - but it is flawed..lol...you forgot - or perhaps do not know..?...Our Hebrew Creation account - is only a part of a much greater account stretching back to ancient Sumer THOUSANDS of years before the Jewish lore ever got uttered and yes - inthis account man is created in Africa as we call it ...

Therefore by your reasoning above - gods that created man - were from off world for a start so not really human looking at all except bipedal humanoforms - and by all the ancient sources, resembled the "classical icon of Gilgamesh" - a typical middle eastern kind of face with long curly hair and similar beard......Does that mean then that ACTUALLY then man was created to look like that..?..it SHOULD do - as that source is the ACTUAL start of this particular Creation narrative..

Or then again - Christ Himself said explicitly that HE came directly from a purely NONE physical realm - so - go figure Folks...lol...

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

This is a very difficult topic to discuss, especially amongst Christians both Black and White. Some will argue that the appearance of the Messiah does not or should not matter, only his message and his sacrifice for our sins.

And I agree 100% that his color has nothing to do with our salvation... But, if his color does not matter, why do some people go out of their way to hide how he really looked? What are they trying to hide from us?

More worthless (and baseless) nonsense.

 

[Sleeppy]

Almost guaranteed he was brown, as African climate has always favored. Without question, he was an African in Africa, born of African ancestry. And, of course Adam was the very first African.

The Son of Man is indeed African. Whether or not anyone is "Black" is according to individual perception.

It's clear that people whose ancestors hail from different parts of the earth have differently colored skin and that this is related to how much of the sun's radiation hits that part of the planet. The less radiation, the lighter the native population's skin color tends to be. This is a great example of recent evolution in human populations. But what if we go back deeper in our evolutionary history, back to when all of humanity lived in Africa? At that time, all humans had darkly pigmented skin. A new study sheds light on how and why this skin pigmentation evolved.

 

[oldbadger]

This is a very difficult topic to discuss.......................
...............................

Difficult to discuss...? Really?

I will not entertain comments not relevant to this topic, so I suggest you start a new thread if you want to talk about Jesus' birth in Bethlehem, his trade as a carpenter and his business in Capernaum. That's not the aim of discussion in this Discussion. Thank you.

Ah, I get it now.
You can quote anything you like from the bible, but other member's references to the same bible, same person, the real vocation, are not allowed?

Yep........ this is going to be a very difficult topic to discuss....!!!!

 

[Sister Cyber]

I don't think the OP is interested in discussion, as so many replies were ignored as they don't fit in with their made up narrative.

Pardon my ignorance, but would you please explain to me what the "OP" is supposed to mean? Admittedly, I'm not all that "hip"....

 

[Sister Cyber]

yet suggested that I have some agenda or other?
I had no agenda, I simply wanted short concise answers.

Where did I say anything about you having an agenda? Would you please copy paste that? I don't particularly care to go off topic.

 

[oldbadger]

Where did I say anything about you having an agenda? Would you please copy paste that? I don't particularly care to go off topic.

Well, you youself have just gone 'off topic'.... true?
You could not answer four simple questions about Jesus, for me, and yet now, as well as having your own agenda, you do suggest that most Christians might have agendas of their own. You wrote:-

........................take the time to read those comments, perhaps even learning something you may not have been aware of or were deceived from by mainstream teachings.

See? such deceptions would cause 'agendas'! Simple!

But the Thread Title reads 'Jesus was Black' and you just don't want to read that Yeshua BarYoseph was Galilean, a displaced peasant of the 2nd order (handworker, nagara(?) or Greek Tekton), who worked, ate and drank with the boatmen, publicans and tax officers of the Lake, and who initiated a movement amongst Galileans against their own disloyal, greedy, corrupted, hellenised upper classes for the return of their God's rules, laws and ways. And that he was Mid-Eastern/Mediterranean in skin colour.

All that is pertinent to your title proposal, 'Jesus was Black' and your demands to me were therefore impertinent imo. You should take time out to study the person, life and vocation of Yeshua BarYoseph, or as much as can be found, obscured in the mists of time.

My suggestion is, ;'Write more accurate sense in less words'. But that's just me....