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Can science disprove the existence of God?
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OurCreed
There is no God but Allah
I never claimed the existence of the earth and universe is a philosophical concept. They aren't. But God is.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Ah....the philosopher in you wonders if the divine reality represented by the concept God, thinks he/it is a philosophical concept to human consciousness...
Thief
Rogue Theologian
and the Lord God said unto Moses.....Ah....the philosopher in you wonders if the divine reality represented by the concept God, thinks he/it is a philosophical concept to human consciousness...
Tell the people.....I AM!.....and they with understanding , will know Whose Law this is.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
You and I know that....but don't you feel for those who have not been touched personally and live in faith and belief alone that THAT represented by the concept of God is really real....
Thief
Rogue Theologian
well....I can't say I haven't been touched....You and I know that....but don't you feel for those who have not been touched personally and live in faith and belief alone that THAT represented by the concept of God is really real....
hehehehe
gnostic
The Lost One
That if God has a brain to "think" with. Highly doubtful, I must say.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Well, I am too.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Haha...clearly you are speaking for yourself Jimmie.....me....I have a God given brain that is capable of thinking....
If you believe that God is just a philosophical concept, doesn't that make you an atheist ?______
Philosophical concepts come from humans, whereas the concept of God comes from Scripture and the natural laws found in nature ( creation )
Since the absence of God can Not be proven, then isn't that what is a philosophical concept or idea by men ?
To the making of many books there is No end - Ecclesiastes 12:12
The Bible is Not just a book among the many.
The Bible has God as its Author - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
Unlike other religious books, the Bible shows its internal harmony among its penmen by the Bible's cross-reference verses and passages.
From Genesis to Revelation the Bible has the main theme of ' God's kingdom ' government as the solution to mankind's troubles - Daniel 2:44 ('Thy kingdom come' here on Earth)
That is why today we see the global fulfillment of Matthew 24:14 that the good news of God's kingdom is being proclaimed on an international scale just as Acts of the Apostles 1:8 said.
If that global work was Not from God there would be No way that work could ever be accomplished on such a vast earth-wide scale as it is being done today.
Well, there are six different Bibles containing from 24 to 81 books. http://www.bessel.org/bibles.htm Which one are you talking about?
So does the Qur'an they say so what makes one of the Bibles so special?
It's the ancient manuscripts which support Bible canon.
The ' 66' Bible books are in harmony with each other.
The apocryphal books simply exclude themselves being out of harmony with the ' 66 '.
All ' 66 ' Bible books have corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses or passages verifying the harmony among its 40 some penmen.
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2KI 2:11)
"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (JOH 3:13)
"PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him."
"PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."
"ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me."
EXO 24:9,10; AMO 9:1; GEN 26:2; and JOH 14:9
God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (EXO 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30)
God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1TIM 6:16)
Even Jesus is Not a pacifist. Jesus carries on war in righteousness ( righteous warfare where No one innocent is in harm's way ) - Revelation 19:11; Revelation 19:14-16
So, Exodus 15:3 is Not a contradiction because of ' righteous warfare ' - Jeremiah 25:31-33
Elijah did Not go to heaven. A whirlwind or wind storm is Not a resurrection. A whirlwind (tornado) can carry a living person up into the heavens, as in the mid-heavens.
If Elijah died in that wind then Elijah would Not later be found alive on Earth - 2 Chronicles 21:12
The wind simply moved Elijah from one place to another.
So, now like David - Acts of the Apostles 2:34 - Elijah is awaiting an earthly resurrection during Jesus' 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.
No one who died before Jesus died - Matthew 11:11 - has a heavenly calling because the way to heaven was Not opened up before God resurrected Jesus to heaven - John 3:13
Perhaps a Rabbi could shed more light on Proverbs 26:4-5
The Tanach says about the first 12 verses that to deal with fools requires judgement. Fools ruin good things. Avoid contentious and foolish people.
If we answer a fool according to his foolishness in the sense of analyzing his contentions, exposing them as being ridiculous, and showing that his own arguments lead to entirely different conclusions from those he has drawn can at times be beneficial.
Acts of the Apostles 9:7 and Acts of the Apostles 22:9 merely shows the people with Paul heard a voice as in the sound of a voice. Not that they understood the voice.
The sound registered in their ears, but they did Not hear the voice as hearing distinct words which they could understand as Paul understood.
Later Luke wrote at Acts of the Apostles 26:14 they were all fallen to earth, but I (Paul) heard a voice speaking to him.
We can see God with the 'eyes of understanding' .
In ' Bible speak' 'face to face' meaning as in close communication.- Deuteronomy 34:10-12
Moses could Not see all of God and live - 1 John 4:12
gnostic
The Lost One
That's a book (Revelation) written by someone other than Jesus, and totally unreliable as a source for anything Jesus might have said or done.
Jesus didn't teach anything in Revelation.
I have think whoever wrote Revelation, was either delusional or tripping on something like LSD...or both.
OurCreed
There is no God but Allah
No it doesn't make me an atheist, because I believe in this philosophical concept. Saying God is a philosophical concept means just that, that it is in itself an idea that does not concern this universe, it is an idea that goes beyond the scope of this universe. It is now in the realm of philosophy.
Sorry the verses I quoted both talk about God. He was originally a god of war. Just read wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh
2 Kings 2:1 says "When the LORD was about to take Elijah up to heaven in a whirlwind, Elijah and Elisha were on their way from Gilgal." NIV and 2 Kings 2:11 says "As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind." NIV So God uses a chariot of fire and horses of fire to take Elijah up to heaven in a whirlwind to move him from one place on the earth to another place on the earth. OK it would be quite possible that God uses a vehicle to transport Elijah. A good one for the Ancient Aliens people.
How can we avoid fools and answer them at the same time?
This I won't comment further on because there are different translations in different bibles and in different commentaries I have found at least three different explanations so the confusion is total.
"Jacob named the place Peniel (which means "face of God"), for he said, "I have seen God face to face, yet my life has been spared." New Living Translation of Genesis chapter 32 verse 30
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)
These verses don't contradict each other?