Christians & Jews not accepting Allah?

[Grumpuss]

God is an English word, nothing to do with the Bible or historical history till the 11th century., so chew on that!





People claim all sorts of stuff.
The good part is that these different religions claim all sorts of different stuff that simply does not work together.

It would be ridiculous to believe that the deity said all sorts of stuff in Book 1 and then revised everything in Book 2 and 3. That's a really weird deity.

But why deny that Yahweh is Allah by another name?

I'm a devout Christian and I would never go in for the dehumanizing tactics that bad Christians apply to Muslims. Jesus was accused in Biblical accounts of being a heretical rabbi that spoke against the Temple elders, molested young boys and committed blasphemy -- those that were able to hear God's Word knew that such proclamations deny God's love, not just love we have for our fellow man.

 

[Flankerl]

But why deny that Yahweh is Allah by another name?

But why not? If what they say is true I wouldn't want to believe in that deity anyway. I don't really need a lying deity that changes its minds every 2 minutes.
Same for the christian deity btw.

Jesus was accused in Biblical accounts of being a heretical rabbi that spoke against the Temple elders, molested young boys and committed blasphemy -- those that were able to hear God's Word knew that such proclamations deny God's love, not just love we have for our fellow man.

 

[LuisDantas]

Personally, I don't see any sense or purpose in attempting to claim that two or more people somehow believe in the same God, unless there is some expectation that they "should" somehow hold similar stances or beliefs.

That is serious abuse of the idea of God. A frequent thing, sure, but serious abuse nonetheless.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Meaningful god-beliefs are about as personal entities as they come. One would be hard pressed to find even two Muslims who truly believe in the same God.

That's not the correct use of language, imo.
If you take your stance to extreme, then everybody worships their OWN god. That's not correct.
Everybody is an individual, yes, and has varying knowledge and beliefs .. but Muslims, Jews and Christians particularly, share the One God of Abraham.
They all believe that this 'Almighty God' is the Creator and Maintainer of the universe.

 

[Sees]

One of the good conundrums of monotheism

 

[LuisDantas]

That's not the correct use of language, imo.
If you take your stance to extreme, then everybody worships their OWN god. That's not correct.

I happen to think that it is very much correct (with the proviso that not everyone has a need for any form of deity, of course).

Everybody is an individual, yes, and has varying knowledge and beliefs .. but Muslims, Jews and Christians particularly, share the One God of Abraham.
They all believe that this 'Almighty God' is the Creator and Maintainer of the universe.

It is certainly true that, at least in their most orthodox forms, all three faiths claim that there is a sole God and that one of his feats was the creation of existence.

Beyond that, everything is tentative. Even whether they truly believe in any deities at all, let alone whether their understandings of same can be reconciled.

That is a self-inflicted problem for Christianity and Islam, who go out of their ways to insist that people must believe in God despite at the same time making a point of avoiding a solid discussion of what that would entail and mean.

Judaism tends to be somewhat wiser in this regard, or at least far more realistic when it comes to actual variety of belief stances.

At the end of the day "sharing a God" is just wishful thinking that attempts to present disregard of differences as a good thing.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I happen to think that it is very much correct (with the proviso that not everyone has a need for any form of deity, of course).

I'm afraid not .. have you not seen that people go to church/temple to worship together?
Why should they do that, if 'their gods' are all different?
I'll tell you .. it's because you are talking nonsense!

 

[Muffled]

Do Jews and Christians believe Allah is their God?


Whats interesting is how Christians of West says Allah is not their god because of words they claim such as cruelty and unforgiving. The irony is that they take OT as holy Book, we all know how God is portrayed in OT.

So why are they also not sayng: God of OT is not our God.

I believe there are Christians who have a dim view of Allah and that may be from teaching. I believe Allah is God because I have the discernment of Spirit and can tell that it is God.

My understanding is that the Qu'ran portrays God as forgiving.

 

[Muffled]

Many Christians criticize other Christians for paying too much attention to the OT.

There is in fact an impressive variety of conceptions of the Christian God. Not too many of those can be reconciled with others.

I would characterize many of them as misconceptions.

 

[Muffled]

Theologically they cannot be reconciled, just as the Jewish concept of God cannot be reconciled into the Christian one.

i believe Jews ought to reconcile themselves with God. The alternative is not pleasant.

 

[metis]

i believe Jews ought to reconcile themselves with God. The alternative is not pleasant.

I would suggest you find and go to a church that is far less judgmental and takes Jesus' words to "judge ye not" seriously. Are you aware of how much damage your view on this has caused this world, or do you just not care?

 

[LuisDantas]

I'm afraid not .. have you not seen that people go to church/temple to worship together?
Why should they do that, if 'their gods' are all different?

People must deal with differences all the time. If anything, different conceptions of deity highlight that need.

I'll tell you .. it's because you are talking nonsense!

I fear you have no chance of convincing me just by saying so.

 

[LuisDantas]

I would characterize many of them as misconceptions.

That would be the case if any were objectively accurate. Not the case, though.

 

[rosends]

i believe Jews ought to reconcile themselves with God. The alternative is not pleasant.

What makes you think we haven't and aren't thinking the same about you?

 

[Muffled]

What makes you think we haven't and aren't thinking the same about you?

I believe if Jews had reconciled with God they would have reconciled with Jesus. I believe you can think what you wish but God knows the truth of it.

 

[Muffled]

That would be the case if any were objectively accurate. Not the case, though.

I don't believe in objectivity. I believe in evidence.

 

[Muffled]

I would suggest you find and go to a church that is far less judgmental and takes Jesus' words to "judge ye not" seriously. Are you aware of how much damage your view on this has caused this world, or do you just not care?

I believe churches lacking in judgement will believe anything whether it is true or not.

I believe it is not the view that has caused the damage but the superstitions of men. I believe that caring is my ultimate goal. Why would I wish horrible things upon you by remaining silent?

 

[Rajina]

Personally, I don't see any sense or purpose in attempting to claim that two or more people somehow believe in the same God, unless there is some expectation that they "should" somehow hold similar stances or beliefs.

That is serious abuse of the idea of God. A frequent thing, sure, but serious abuse nonetheless.

What you are saying seems true from the viewpoint of a person who believes that God is hypothetical. In that case God is something which exists only in the minds of people and we can never say that God in my mind is the same as the God in someone else's mind.

But from the viewpoint of a believer, God is not something in the minds of people. From the believers viewpoint God is the All powerful, all knowing Creator and sustainer of the universe.

 

[rosends]

I believe if Jews had reconciled with God they would have reconciled with Jesus. I believe you can think what you wish but God knows the truth of it.

Right back at you. If you reconciled with God you would have rejected Jesus. Feel free to think otherwise, but God knows the truth of it.

See how easy that is?

 

[Akivah]

"Allah" (Arabic) and "Eloheim" (Hebrew) both come from what we often call the "El tradition", with "El" being a name for a god in ancient Sumeria. Same God, different names because of different languages.

Therefore if Jews worship Allah, then Muslims worship G-d.