Is Jesus God?

[Yoshua]

I go by these two Bible Scriptures to conclude that no, Jesus is not God:

John 14:28
English Standard Version (ESV)
(28)You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

1 Corinthians 8:6
English Standard Version (ESV)
(6) yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist,...

John 20-26-28
26. And after eight days again His disciples were inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst, and said, "Peace be with you."
27. Then He said to Thomas, "Reach here your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand, and put it into My side; and be not unbelieving, but believing."
28. Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

Thanks

 

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John 20-26-28
26. And after eight days again His disciples were inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst, and said, "Peace be with you."
27. Then He said to Thomas, "Reach here your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand, and put it into My side; and be not unbelieving, but believing."
28. Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

Thanks

God was in Jesus is what that means. That does not mean that Jesus was God Himself (John 14:28:)

John 14:28
English Standard Version (ESV)
(28)You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

 

[moorea944]

when children of God mated with Children of men could be simply godly men or those who followed in the footsteps of God mating with women who were not. It is explicit in the bible that humans who followed God were children of God. in fact they are said to carry be the seed of God. if not, ephraim will be the eldest son of God and all those sons of God would be his younger brothers. And moses would be god too so these must his sons. Or maybe even the judges. Maybe we should understand the personality of the language a bit too. Son of God is mentioned in the bible I think a little less than a 100 times. Oops that's only in the OT.

I totally agree with you. In Gen 6 were it says that the sons of God took the daughters of men, my point was that it's not saying that the angels went with the women. It was, like you said, Godly men took wives that didnt believe in our God. Probable pagan.

 

[outhouse]

Godly men took wives that didnt believe in our God. Probable pagan.

Nope.

Israelites were multicultural, and were polytheistic longer then they were monotheistic. Monotheism did not even exist as a national method of worship before 622BC

Even then monotheism did not adhere to most cultures until 200-400BC

There was no OUR people until 200ce ish when Jews rebuilt their people and religion based on Pharisees dogma

 

[Fool]

I have absolutely no clue what your talking about.....

yes, i understand that.

lol. No they dont.... First of all, angels do not sin. Are you saying that God is not in controll of His angels?

angels aren't omniscient and have free will

Paul says that ALL angels worship God. Psalmist tells us that angels excel in God's strenght and do His commandments. All angels praise God. There are NO rebel angels!!

daimons can be benevolent or malevolent. EL created both for a purpose. it's how they choose to use their divine powers that determines; if they are servants to self, or servants to others as self.

Christ tells us that someday we will be immortal like the angels. Angels are immortal, they cannot die nor sin.

the spirit is immortal. the form isn't.

Divine beings (angels) having sex with mortal women? Are you serious? I did see that in a movie though......

mary conceived of the Holy Spirit

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G4151&t=KJV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6:19-20

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

Like who?....... Hercules or Zeus?

yes, jesus was at best a demi-god.


I found solace in the strangest place
Way in the back of my mind
I saw my life in a stranger's face
And it was mine

I had a one-way ticket to a place where all the demons go
Where the wind don't change
And nothing in the ground can ever grow
No hope, just lies
And you're taught to cry in your pillow
But I survived

I'm still breathing
I'm Alive - SIA

bring me the sunlight!!!!!!!!!!

 

[outhouse]

mary conceived of the Holy Spirit

Mythology and theology state that.

History does not accept this as written

 

[Fool]

Mythology and theology state that.

History does not accept this as written

science agrees with me.

energy cannot be created/destroyed, it simply changes form. gnostic and 1st law of thermodynamics. newton was a big time gnostic.

thank you and have a nice day

 

[moorea944]

yes, i understand that.



angels aren't omniscient and have free will

daimons can be benevolent or malevolent. EL created both for a purpose. it's how they choose to use their divine powers that determines; if they are servants to self, or servants to others as self.

the spirit is immortal. the form isn't.




mary conceived of the Holy Spirit

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G4151&t=KJV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6:19-20

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.



yes, jesus was at best a demi-god.


I found solace in the strangest place
Way in the back of my mind
I saw my life in a stranger's face
And it was mine

I had a one-way ticket to a place where all the demons go
Where the wind don't change
And nothing in the ground can ever grow
No hope, just lies
And you're taught to cry in your pillow
But I survived

I'm still breathing
I'm Alive - SIA

bring me the sunlight!!!!!!!!!!

mary conceived of the Holy Spirit

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

And what is the Holy Spirit? It is the power of God. It is not a person. It is God's power. If it were a person, it would be Jesus's father. Luke 1 even tells us that the HS is the "power" of God.

 

[moorea944]

yes, i understand that.



angels aren't omniscient and have free will

daimons can be benevolent or malevolent. EL created both for a purpose. it's how they choose to use their divine powers that determines; if they are servants to self, or servants to others as self.

the spirit is immortal. the form isn't.




mary conceived of the Holy Spirit

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G4151&t=KJV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6:19-20

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.



yes, jesus was at best a demi-god.


I found solace in the strangest place
Way in the back of my mind
I saw my life in a stranger's face
And it was mine

I had a one-way ticket to a place where all the demons go
Where the wind don't change
And nothing in the ground can ever grow
No hope, just lies
And you're taught to cry in your pillow
But I survived

I'm still breathing
I'm Alive - SIA

bring me the sunlight!!!!!!!!!!

angels aren't omniscient and have free will

Yes, your right, angels are not omsiscient. But they do have freewill. But that doesnt make them sinners. They are immortal. They cannot die, which also means, they cannot sin. Because if you sin, you die.

 

[outhouse]

science agrees with me.

No it factually does not

Its why you have no credible sources

energy cannot be created/destroyed, it simply changes form.

Non sequitur when it comes to Mary being impregnated by a ghost science views as mythology

 

[outhouse]

newton was a big time gnostic.

No he was not

He was a theist, who let his belief in a god get in the way of his work and stopped his progress on a major theory before his death he never finished

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Yes, your right, angels are not omsiscient. But they do have freewill. But that doesnt make them sinners. They are immortal. They cannot die, which also means, they cannot sin. Because if you sin, you die.

Didn't an angel rebel against God and get sent to Hell? Isn't it true he wasn't alone in this little project?

 

[Oeste]

John 20-26-28
26. And after eight days again His disciples were inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst, and said, "Peace be with you."
27. Then He said to Thomas, "Reach here your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand, and put it into My side; and be not unbelieving, but believing."
28. Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

Thanks

Agreed! Thomas was a Jew, and for him to call anyone "...my God!" who was not actually God would have been blasphemous.

God was in Jesus is what that means. That does not mean that Jesus was God Himself (John 14:28:)

God worked through the apostles also, yet I don't recall anyone referring to Peter, Matthew or John as "My God!". Why can't it mean just what it says?

John 14:28
English Standard Version (ESV)
(28)You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Jesus is God incarnate, born of God through Mary, so he always had a dual nature. Even so, the Father was always greater when Jesus spoke as a man, but I'm not sure how some say Jesus wasn't God when scripture tells us otherwise:

“Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.” Matthew 1:23

For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6)

As a man he was subject to the rule of the Father just as all men are, and did nothing he did not see the Father doing first (John 5:19), just as all men should do nothing but follow in the path of God (Psalm 17:6, Psalm 25:10). But although Jesus was God, he did not seek to use that to his advantage, or to claim as a man he was equal to God, because man is not equal to God.

"Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage" Philippians 2:6

These verses don't tell us Jesus was not God, but that he was God, and since there is only one God (not many "Gods" as the pagans believed) Jesus cannot possibly be a separate, distinct God from the Almighty unless you believe in some form of polytheism (which has gained remarkable resurgence from post Millerite groups like Jehovah Witnesses, Christadelphians, and the Mormon church).

The only doctrine I've come across that reconciles Jesus and scripture while keeping traditional monotheistic belief is Trinitarianism, which may explain why some groups fight tooth and nail to mis-explain it as Tritheism.

 

[Notaclue]

As a man he was subject to the rule of the Father just as all men are, and did nothing he did not see the Father doing first (John 5:19), just as all men should do nothing but follow in the path of God (Psalm 17:6, Psalm 25:10). But although Jesus was God, he did not seek to use that to his advantage, or to claim as a man he was equal to God, because man is not equal to God.

because man is not equal to God.



Num.23:19. God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1Tim.2:5. For there is one God, 'and' one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Christ Jesus is a Man.

Peace.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

The author of John and his letters creates an idea of jesus being one with the father, it creates the trinity, it even says jesus is the father. So if you're looking for a culprit to the idea jesus is god, it starts there.

Or at least the Johannine corpus is the clearest, earliest example we currently possess.

Within these gospels he warns about those that come after and use the term 'ego i-mee' (I AM)

The Greek ego eimi (pronounced "ego ee-mee") means "I, I am", or rather signifies an emphatic "I". In Greek (both classical and koine), the verb specified person and number, and so the first person pronoun was not needed (eimi alone means "I am").

that is what John, Paul and Revelations have mistakenly forged, to make this ideology of him being god

How does Paul factor in here?

[QUOE]Revelations has forgeries at the beginning and end of it, that again use the same terminology used in John (ego i-mee), that are then misconstrued to make him into being god. [/QUOTE]
What makes these "forgeries"?

 

[Fool]

No it factually does not

Its why you have no credible sources



Non sequitur when it comes to Mary being impregnated by a ghost science views as mythology

nope.

http://phys.org/news/2011-03-quantum-no-hiding-theorem-experimentally.html


https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H7307&t=KJV

spiritual = mental

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/mental?s=t

http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=spirit&allowed_in_frame=0

From late 14c. as "divine substance, divine mind, God;" also "Christ" or His divine nature; "the Holy Ghost; divine power;" also, "extension of divine power to man; inspiration, a charismatic state; charismatic power, especially of prophecy." Also "essential nature, essential quality." From 1580s in metaphoric sense "animation, vitality."

 

[Fool]

And what is the Holy Spirit? It is the power of God. It is not a person. It is God's power. If it were a person, it would be Jesus's father. Luke 1 even tells us that the HS is the "power" of God.

pertains to the idea of consciousness, or mindfulness.

ruwach = mind

mind is the creator

 

[Fool]

Yes, your right, angels are not omsiscient. But they do have freewill. But that doesnt make them sinners. They are immortal. They cannot die, which also means, they cannot sin. Because if you sin, you die.

that which isn't omniscient is imperfect and can make imperfect choices. thus the fall, or involution/evolution of consciousness. the sri yantra represents this idea; as does the, "thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. the illusion of earth vs heaven as separate. earth is in heaven and heaven can be on earth.

 

[Fool]

No he was not

He was a theist, who let his belief in a god get in the way of his work and stopped his progress on a major theory before his death he never finished

science[knowledge], from a terran/third density perspective, is never finished

 

[Fool]

Didn't an angel rebel against God and get sent to Hell? Isn't it true he wasn't alone in this little project?

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