Buddha favors religion and shuns having no-religion

[idav]

I don't get you exactly; please give details.

Jesus spoke against what pharasees thought. Spoke and acted against the things going on in the temple. He looked passed someone being a samaritan even when that was unheard of for most jews. Jesus didn't mind gentiles. Religion creates an unnecessary border which separates more than it unites.

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus spoke against what pharasees thought. Spoke and acted against the things going on in the temple. He looked passed someone being a samaritan even when that was unheard of for most jews. Jesus didn't mind gentiles. Religion creates an unnecessary border which separates more than it unites.

Religion opens visions of a person; the narrow minded might not; it does not force anything on anyone.

 

[paarsurrey]

Does it ever occur to you that you do more damage than good?

How could you say that?

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus spoke against what pharasees thought. Spoke and acted against the things going on in the temple.

He did it to reform Judaism. The Pharisees made it a religion of rituals and worldly gains that Moses never wanted; his focus was on the spiritual.

I think there was no wrong in what Jesus did.

 

[Road Warrior]

Does it ever occur to you that you do more damage than good?

You are a good poster, Sunstone, but disagree with you on this point. Sure, we're all human and none of us are perfect. We have good days and bad, but no where do I see Paarsurrey doing "more damage than good". For the most part, I think he is on the same quest as myself; a quest of spiritual awakening. Unlike the extremists, both theist and atheist, whose quest has stopped along with their learning because they are certain they know the answer to everything.

In short, I have no problem with Paarsurrey's quest...nor your's for that matter.

 

[paarsurrey]

You are a good poster, Sunstone, but disagree with you on this point. Sure, we're all human and none of us are perfect. We have good days and bad, but no where do I see Paarsurrey doing "more damage than good". For the most part, I think he is on the same quest as myself; a quest of spiritual awakening. Unlike the extremists, both theist and atheist, whose quest has stopped along with their learning because they are certain they know the answer to everything.

In short, I have no problem with Paarsurrey's quest...nor your's for that matter.

Thanks for you good words for me.

 

[paarsurrey]

How long have you been a Christian?

I love Jesus and his mother Mary being a Muslim, but I have never been a Christian. Similarly I love Buddha being a Muslim, but I have never been a Buddhist. I love Zoroaster being a Muslim but I have never been a Zoroastrian. I love Moses and his brother Aaron being a Muslim but I have never been a Jew. I love Krishna being a Muslim but I don't belong to Hinduism.
In love of truthful Muhammad love of all such truthful persons is included.
Regards

 

[Sees]

I love Jesus and his mother Mary being a Muslim, but I have never been a Christian. Similarly I love Buddha being a Muslim, but I have never been a Buddhist. I love Zoroaster being a Muslim but I have never been a Zoroastrian. I love Moses and his brother Aaron being a Muslim but I have never been a Jew. I love Krishna being a Muslim but I don't belong to Hinduism.
In love of truthful Muhammad love of all such truthful persons is included.
Regards

You revived a three year old thread for that...not bad

 

[paarsurrey]

You revived a three year old thread for that...not bad

Thanks for your appreciation.
Regards

 

[gnostic]

The Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics deny with very strong sentiments that they belong to any religion; so why should they be called to belong to a concept that they don't like to ascribe to?

It is true that atheism and agnosticism are not religion. They are more like that of philosophical positions about theism (the belief in the world existence of a deity, or deities for polytheism).

Right now, you are confusing theism with religion. There are theistic religions and there are non-theistic religion, like Buddhism.

Buddhism, for the most part, are non-theism, and they particularly don't have a creator God.

 

[paarsurrey]

It is true that atheism and agnosticism are not religion. They are more like that of philosophical positions about theism (the belief in the world existence of a deity, or deities for polytheism).
Right now, you are confusing theism with religion. There are theistic religions and there are non-theistic religion, like Buddhism.
Buddhism, for the most part, are non-theism, and they particularly don't have a creator God.

Yet Buddha was not an Atheist/Agnostic/Skeptic/Humanist (whatever denomination of them). His character was of a believer in G-d.
Regards

 

[LuisDantas]

The Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics deny with very strong sentiments that they belong to any religion;

To the extent that this happens (which is a lot, far more than it should), it is a misunderstanding - and one instigated mainly by Christianity and Islam.

so why should they be called to belong to a concept that they don't like to ascribe to?

Because religion can be and should be so much more and so much better than theism, or even than transcendence of theism.

 

[LuisDantas]

Yet Buddha was not an Atheist/Agnostic/Skeptic/Humanist (whatever denomination of them). His character was of a believer in G-d.
Regards

I beg to differ. From what I know of the Tathagata and his teachings, not only was he a skeptic and a humanist, but also a post-theist. As were many or even most of his brightest successors, not by coincidence.

Religion, at least when it is understood to be Dhamma (which is its superior aspect IMO) does not require or even really benefit from God-beliefs.

 

[psychoslice]

I feel that the religion the Buddha spoke of, is the religion that is found within each one of us, he never meant an organized religion.

 

[LuisDantas]

I feel that the religion the Buddha spoke of, is the religion that is found within each one of us, he never meant an organized religion.

Define organized religion.

 

[psychoslice]

Define organized religion.

Man made, someone else's hearsay, something that you yourself haven't truly realized.

 

[LuisDantas]

Man made, someone else's hearsay, something that you yourself haven't truly realized.

All religion is man made, far as anyone can truly know.

And a large part of it - as of life in general, really - is to learn from others.

I'm fairly sure that the Tathagata would not teach his Dhamma if he disapproved of people learning from it, too.

 

[psychoslice]

All religion is man made, far as anyone can truly know.

And a large part of it - as of life in general, really - is to learn from others.

I'm fairly sure that the Tathagata would not teach his Dhamma if he disapproved of people learning from it, too.

If truth is coming from someone who is truly self realized, then that is still second hand knowledge, it may be a great pointer for those who are ignorant, but it can never truly be truth until the one in ignorance realizes it for them self.

 

[LuisDantas]

If truth is coming from someone who is truly self realized, then that is still second hand knowledge, it may be a great pointer for those who are ignorant, but it can never truly be truth until the one in ignorance realizes it for them self.

I must have missed the memo that told me that I earned the right of a direct connection to some cosmic truth. Did I become a high avatar without noticing it?

It is ok to learn from actual people. It truly is.

 

[psychoslice]

I must have missed the memo that told me that I earned the right of a direct connection to some cosmic truth. Did I become a high avatar without noticing it?

It is ok to learn from actual people. It truly is.

Yes that is what I said, but the truth itself can only be truly realized from within, as soon as we put the truth into a concept it then is no longer the truth, just as a road sign isn't the destination.