Accepting the lie

[George-ananda]

I don't understand how any American could support a candidate who blatantly and repeatedly lies.

I think you are falling too much for her enemies attempts to paint her as a 'liar'.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/10/...helsea-during-benghazi-attack-blames-al-qaeda

And you prefer the edited Fox report..
Hardly a measure for honesty.

 

[BSM1]

In my lifetime, the gold standard of disastrous political lies remains the Bush administration in the lead up to the Iraq invasion, without a close second.
Tom

Again, read previous post.

 

[columbus]

Again, read previous post.

I quoted it.

If you want to objectively judge political lies, tell me which one you think more blatantly disastrous than "We must invade Iraq". Then we could discuss and compare them.
Tom

 

[BSM1]

I quoted it.

If you want to objectively judge political lies, tell me which one you think more blatantly disastrous than "We must invade Iraq". Then we could discuss and compare them.
Tom

Which was the consensus from both sides of the aisle.

 

[columbus]

Which was the consensus from both sides of the aisle.

Is that response,"No, I can't think of a bigger lie than that"?
That's what it looks like to me.
Tom

 

[metis]

Obviously only in the eye of the beholder.

Let me just cite one example that goes beyond the screw-up with the Bush administration dealing with Iraq that has cost us dearly in terms of American lives, a loss of about $1 trillion, plus creating conditions that allowed for the emergence of ISIS.

If you were to remember correctly, Bush wanted to take Social Security and have much of the revenue collected through payroll deductions invested in the stock market under our own names. Let's say he and the Republicans had succeeded in doing so. What do you think would have played out in 2008-2009 when the stock market took one helluva noser? Can you imagine the absolute panic that this would have created when Americans saw their Social Security, along with their 401-K's, IRA's, etc. being demolished? Can you imagine what would then have happened to the stock market during this panic?

For anyone in middle or lower-income families to actually believe that these Republicans nowadays would take actions in their favor involves an amazing amount of ignorance. And this is only one area. If Republicans had had their way, the banks would have defaulted and not been kept from collapsing because most of the Republicans voted against it, even though Paulson, Bernanke, and even Bush, all Republicans, said we were in danger of having our entire banking system collapse.

Sorry, but the Bush administration was a catastrophe that could have been far worse if some Republicans and most Democrats hadn't kept us afloat financially.

 

[metis]

Which was the consensus from both sides of the aisle.

Because the intelligence was skewed. Powell, a Republican, called the lie he ended up telling the U.N. as being the worst mistake of his entire life.

BTW, last night Fareed Zakaria had a program dealing with the decision to go into Iraq and what the consequences were and are. If I see that it's being repeated, it's definitely worth watching, and I'll try and remember to notify you.

 

[BSM1]

Because the intelligence was skewed. Powell, a Republican, called the lie he ended up telling the U.N. as being the worst mistake of his entire life.

BTW, last night Fareed Zakaria had a program dealing with the decision to go into Iraq and what the consequences were and are. If I see that it's being repeated, it's definitely worth watching, and I'll try and remember to notify you.

Yeah, right:


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/10/16/new-york-times-reports-wmd-found-in-iraq

 

[metis]

Yeah, right:


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/10/16/new-york-times-reports-wmd-found-in-iraq

Apparently you must have missed Tony Blair's recent statement that there were no WMD's found, which most people are aware of nowadays. If you had read your own article you would have been aware of that this was a controversial opinion piece based on nothing but hear-say information. It appears to be just another conspiracy theory that the conservatives are so willing to swallow hook, line, and sinker.

BTW, recent polls have it that even most Republicans believe it was a mistake for us to go in and attack a country that didn't attack us, falsify the intelligence to push people to a false conclusion, create an environment whereas 1/3 of the Iraqi people were killed or displaced, destroyed their economy, helped to create ISIS, saw more Americans killed than on 9-11, etc. Are you really proud of those "accomplishments"?

 

[katiemygirl]

I notice a trend here. They say she lies, but no one says what she lied about.....OP is a fine example of a Fox watcher.

I watched the Bengazi hearings on CSPAN. I also watched Hillary tell the American people, on mainstream news, that the attack on the consulate was due to a video. Hillary repeated her story for about two weeks, (carried on mainstream news channels) as did her state department (Susan Rice), and the POTUS.

At the hearings, (CSPAN), Hillary's emails to her daughter (the night of the attack) and to the Egyptian president said the attack was by terrorists.

She lied.

My info did not come from FOX News.

I listen to FOX about as much as I do MSNBC. Truthfully, we are all at the mercy of a lying media. It's sad.

 

[BSM1]

Apparently you must have missed Tony Blair's recent statement that there were no WMD's found, which most people are aware of nowadays. If you had read your own article you would have been aware of that this was a controversial opinion piece based on nothing but hear-say information. It appears to be just another conspiracy theory that the conservatives are so willing to swallow hook, line, and sinker.

BTW, recent polls have it that even most Republicans believe it was a mistake for us to go in and attack a country that didn't attack us, falsify the intelligence to push people to a false conclusion, create an environment whereas 1/3 of the Iraqi people were killed or displaced, destroyed their economy, helped to create ISIS, saw more Americans killed than on 9-11, etc. Are you really proud of those "accomplishments"?

Actually you and I have common ground. We made a mistake in Iraq and it's coming back to bite us. We should have leveled the country when we had the chance. Then we should have set up on the Iranian and Syrian borders with a warning for them to shape up or they're next; while at the same time we should have told the Saudis to come off the dime or we're confiscating the oilfields our soldiers died protecting leaving their country financially twisting in the wind. Outlandish? Extreme? Sure. But I would take the bad press compared to what we are facing now. Please don't blather on about Mideast sovereignty and peace. That boat sailed years ago.

 

[metis]

Actually you and I have common ground. We made a mistake in Iraq and it's coming back to bite us. We should have leveled the country when we had the chance.

No, we don't have "common ground". There is absolutely no way I would ever support any program that has it that we should have "leveled the country"-- any country. That approach lacks even basic compassion for human life, most of whom would be innocent lives lost, and I consider that approach to be completely unethical.

Then we should have set up on the Iranian and Syrian borders with a warning for them to shape up or they're next; while at the same time we should have told the Saudis to come off the dime or we're confiscating the oilfields our soldiers died protecting leaving their country financially twisting in the wind. Outlandish? Extreme? Sure. But I would take the bad press compared to what we are facing now.

So, the U.S. should go into an area half-way across the world, and not only tell them how they must establish their boundaries, but to do so at the point of a gun that we hold and with no regard to innocent lives? No "common ground" with us on this either.

Please don't blather on about Mideast sovereignty and peace. That boat sailed years ago.

I'm not "blathering" about anything, and your post above I find sickening.

 

[tytlyf]

I watched the Bengazi hearings on CSPAN. I also watched Hillary tell the American people, on mainstream news, that the attack on the consulate was due to a video. Hillary repeated her story for about two weeks, (carried on mainstream news channels) as did her state department (Susan Rice), and the POTUS.

At the hearings, (CSPAN), Hillary's emails to her daughter (the night of the attack) and to the Egyptian president said the attack was by terrorists.

Correct, the video was responsible for multiple violent protests across the region that day, including Benghazi. She didn't lie, move on.

I'd recommend fact checking instead of relying on republican establishment media for information

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/benghazi-hearing-whats-new/

 

[metis]

I watched the Bengazi hearings on CSPAN. I also watched Hillary tell the American people, on mainstream news, that the attack on the consulate was due to a video. Hillary repeated her story for about two weeks, (carried on mainstream news channels) as did her state department (Susan Rice), and the POTUS.

At the hearings, (CSPAN), Hillary's emails to her daughter (the night of the attack) and to the Egyptian president said the attack was by terrorists.

She lied.

My info did not come from FOX News.

I listen to FOX about as much as I do MSNBC. Truthfully, we are all at the mercy of a lying media. It's sad.

But there was a difference in the reporting, and that confusion didn't get straightened out for roughly two weeks after the attack. With the inconsistency with the reporting, plus with an election pending, she emphasized one side and not the other publicly but then flipped to the other side in an e-mail. To call that a "lie" is really going overboard since it took a while to determine if the video had anything to do with it, and the answer is that it did to a degree as at least one of the terrorists admitted.

 

[esmith]

Correct, the video was responsible for multiple violent protests across the region that day, including Benghazi. She didn't lie, move on.

I'd recommend fact checking instead of relying on republican establishment media for information

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/benghazi-hearing-whats-new/

Seems your article disputes your assertion:

Pompeo referred to two emails in his CNN interview. The first was an email sent Sept. 12, 2012, by State Department Public Affairs Officer Lawrence Randolph that summarized a call between Clinton and then-Egyptian Prime Minister Hisham Qandil a day after the attacks in Benghazi. That email quotes Clinton as saying, “We know the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack — not a protest (My emphisis)

See: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ictims-dad-gave-hillary-hug-blamed-filmmaker/
Are you calling the father of Ty Woods a lair?

As we have reported in our article “Benghazi Timeline” on Oct. 26, 2012, Obama administration officials in the days after the attack publicly cited the anti-Muslim video as a possible reason for the attack, even though the State Department had evidence at the time that it may have been a planned terrorist attack.
(My emphisis)

 

[metis]

Oh yes, Fox is such a bastion of reliable information.

 

[BSM1]

No, we don't have "common ground". There is absolutely no way I would ever support any program that has it that we should have "leveled the country"-- any country. That approach lacks even basic compassion for human life, most of whom would be innocent lives lost, and I consider that approach to be completely unethical.


So, the U.S. should go into an area half-way across the world, and not only tell them how they must establish their boundaries, but to do so at the point of a gun that we hold and with no regard to innocent lives? No "common ground" with us on this either.


I'm not "blathering" about anything, and your post above I find sickening.

If you send our troops into war, then fight a war or stay home (lesson that should have been learned from Viet Nam); and there are no innocents in war.


So who do you think is high on the ISIS hit list now?

Tough, take a Rolaid.

 

[metis]

If you send our troops into war, then fight a war or stay home (lesson that should have been learned from Viet Nam); and there are no innocents in war.


So who do you think is high on the ISIS hit list now?

Tough, take a Rolaid.

One can try and justify immoral actions by blaming others, and what ISIS does should have no relevance for us to use the kind of despotic actions that you have suggested in your previous post and with the above. We don't save a country by destroying it. We don't help a people by "leveling" them. We don't blame children by saying "there are no innocents in war". And then your last response is "tough"? Wow, what "compassion" and "fairness".

No, we have nothing in "common" on this.

 

[esmith]

Oh yes, Fox is such a bastion of reliable information.

So you also saying that Ty Woods father is making everything up just because he talked to Fox News. WOW