sincerly
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sincerly said: ↑
The attitude which is seen in your post is the same "holier than thou" Isaiah wrote about (65:1-7), "I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.
Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,
Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom."
SL what was written on those tablets of Stone by GOD'S finger? The "torah" or the Decalogue/ten words??
Did GOD tell Abraham to keep HIS blessings found in HIS Laws to himself or the be a blessing to the "nations"/Gentiles.?
Since GOD isn't a respecter of persons, Why the animosity towards Paul who pointed out the continued false beliefs of the Jewish people in regards to a right relationship to GOD and his fellow Beings?
Your postings are contrary to the Spirit of the righteous loving relationship which is from GOD.
When are you planning to return to the OP question?
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SL, First, Those people who were at the foot of Sinai when GOD spoke and wrote that covenant were the descendants of Jacob and a large "mixed Multitude--gentiles". ALL the people attested, "all the Lord GOD says, we will do".
Therefore, as you now admit, Gentiles "have always been allowed to be included into the Covenant(Old and New).
GOD never excluded any Believer. GOD'S Salvation is for ALL who desire to have GOD as their GOD and have/submit to GOD'S LOVE Laws as the rule of their lives.
It has been mankind--no matter their ethnic background-- who have, by their own will. estranged themselves from the Creator GOD,(As Isaiah was showing above).
SL, Who are HIS people? Above you acknowledge Gentiles "have always"---now you are reverting back to Jews vs. Gentiles.
When GOD called Abraham out from idol worshipers, there was NO JEW--- only people who had been scattered over the face of the earth because they failed in their obedience to GOD.(They setup gods of their own choosing.)
What's a gentile? Hebrew=gowy=nations; heathen; gentile
Gen.12:2, GOD said of Abraham, "I will make of thee a great nation(gowy)". Therefore, the context determines the word to be used,
Jacob's name was changed to Israel because the scriptures record that he found favor in the sight of GOD and man.(He prevailed/overcome) (no longer a "usurper").
So who are HIS people---The ones who overcome(Repented) the lusts of the world in obedience to the Creator GOD of all things.
Paul was in harmony with GOD'S Salvational plan and teachings---despite your nay-saying to the contrary.
The attitude which is seen in your post is the same "holier than thou" Isaiah wrote about (65:1-7), "I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.
Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,
Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom."
SL what was written on those tablets of Stone by GOD'S finger? The "torah" or the Decalogue/ten words??
Did GOD tell Abraham to keep HIS blessings found in HIS Laws to himself or the be a blessing to the "nations"/Gentiles.?
Since GOD isn't a respecter of persons, Why the animosity towards Paul who pointed out the continued false beliefs of the Jewish people in regards to a right relationship to GOD and his fellow Beings?
Your postings are contrary to the Spirit of the righteous loving relationship which is from GOD.
When are you planning to return to the OP question?
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You are confusing my words. Of course YHVH is NOT a respecter of persons. You assumed that because I stated that the New Covenant was between Israel and Judah that I was dismissing gentiles. Gentiles have always been allowed to be included into the Covenant (Old and New). The fact remains that the covenant was MADE with Israel and Judah, not Gentiles.
SL, First, Those people who were at the foot of Sinai when GOD spoke and wrote that covenant were the descendants of Jacob and a large "mixed Multitude--gentiles". ALL the people attested, "all the Lord GOD says, we will do".
Therefore, as you now admit, Gentiles "have always been allowed to be included into the Covenant(Old and New).
GOD never excluded any Believer. GOD'S Salvation is for ALL who desire to have GOD as their GOD and have/submit to GOD'S LOVE Laws as the rule of their lives.
It has been mankind--no matter their ethnic background-- who have, by their own will. estranged themselves from the Creator GOD,(As Isaiah was showing above).
The Christian assertion that YHVH made a covenant with Gentiles is completely false. He has always made His covenants with HIS people and He allows Gentiles to be included into it IF they keep His commandments.
SL, Who are HIS people? Above you acknowledge Gentiles "have always"---now you are reverting back to Jews vs. Gentiles.
When GOD called Abraham out from idol worshipers, there was NO JEW--- only people who had been scattered over the face of the earth because they failed in their obedience to GOD.(They setup gods of their own choosing.)
What's a gentile? Hebrew=gowy=nations; heathen; gentile
Gen.12:2, GOD said of Abraham, "I will make of thee a great nation(gowy)". Therefore, the context determines the word to be used,
Jacob's name was changed to Israel because the scriptures record that he found favor in the sight of GOD and man.(He prevailed/overcome) (no longer a "usurper").
So who are HIS people---The ones who overcome(Repented) the lusts of the world in obedience to the Creator GOD of all things.
Paul was in harmony with GOD'S Salvational plan and teachings---despite your nay-saying to the contrary.