Is Hamas Being Delusional?

[Saint Frankenstein]

This was an interesting read - about a woman who left an Orthodox Jewish group.


The things they put women through for normal functions like menstruation, just amaze me!


I was a Hasidic Jew – but I broke free | New York Post



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Here is another: Ex-Hasidic Woman Marks Five Years Since She Shaved Her Head

 

[Flankerl]

No, it's not Christian Zionism that's referred to as "replacement theology". That's a smear term that Christian Zionists use against Christians who don't agree with them and who follow the traditional Christian view on that matter.

So your Religion isnt based around the "fact" that Judaism was replaced by Christianity, its new Covenant and that you are the real Israel?

I could have sworn to have read something different a few days ago.

 

[Maldini]

Hammas has said numerous times that their strength is that they crave for death (so they go to heaven) while Israel's biggest weakness is being afraid of death.

So I guess they did win.

 

[CMike]

The Haredis aren't the only group who thinks that Palestinians should be wiped out: Racists Are Rampaging Through Israel | VICE United States

Once again your statement is wrong.

There is no significant Jewish group that says the Arabs living in judea and Samaria should be wiped out.

 

[CMike]

Then who am I referring to? I am by no means super knowledgeable on Judaism I will admit

Hamas

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So your Religion isnt based around the "fact" that Judaism was replaced by Christianity, its new Covenant and that you are the real Israel?

I could have sworn to have read something different a few days ago.

Fulfillment is a better word. "Replacement" also makes it seem like Jews can't find grace with God anymore and that's not so. We've never called it "replacement theology".

 

[Brickjectivity]

Somehow I really don't see you caring.
I have been organizing Pro-Israel rallies.
I have had extremely great support from christians.
And they have told me why. They feel that G-D gave the jews Israel, and they come back to Genesis 12:3.
I would take a pro-Israel chrisian rather than an anti-Israel jew anytime.

I'm not telling you what to do, but I ask you not to encourage Christian leaders in this way. Many times Christian leaders here use Israel mania to promote delusions such as miracle healing services, belief in the end of the world, demonic exorcisms, their own personal validity as mouthpieces of God. While you are not at fault, they have a very negative impact on Christians and encourage people to live recklessly here. Over there you are celebrating a renewal, but over here they are celebrating the approaching end of the world. Its not healthy. Please look into it, and consider carefully whom you associate with.

 

[LuisDantas]

Hammas has said numerous times that their strength is that they crave for death (so they go to heaven) while Israel's biggest weakness is being afraid of death.

So I guess they did win.

Accurate as statements such as this may well be for all I know, they still worry me greatly and look like a very good reason to find evidence one way or the other. What is motivating the Palestinians generally and Hammas specifically?

Sure, we could simply file them up under "way out there", but that is hardly satisfactory. There must be something that can be done to truly understand their motivations and reach out in some way that is not military in nature.

 

[Avi1001]

Then you must not love the Jewish people that much Mike, because Christian Zionist are very very bad for the Jewish people. Jewish people are nothing more than a means to an end for them. They don't want peace or safety for Israel or the Jewish people, they want them to go to war and they want them to be persecuted in order to fulfill their prophecies and they will do anything to immanentize the eschaton.

Interesting observation. Whom do the Christian Zionists want the Jews persecuted by ? Christians, Muslims or both ? So all Christian Zionists are all haters ? Isn't that a bit of a broad brush of hatred ?

 

[gnostic]

Hammas has said numerous times that their strength is that they crave for death (so they go to heaven) while Israel's biggest weakness is being afraid of death.

So I guess they did win.

The only thing is that it is more of death of civilians and children, which they used as human shields, than the Hamas themselves.

Bunch of murdering cowards.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Interesting observation. Whom do the Christian Zionists want the Jews persecuted by ?

The forces of the Antichrist as per their eschatology. They believe that in the End Times the Antichrist will persecute the Jews and this will culminate in all the armies in the world converging on Israel to destroy it, when face with the armies of the Antichrist, Israel will have a change of heart, accept Jesus en masse and then miraculously he will come back to save the day.

Weird stuff. Christian Zionism is not good for the Jewish people or Israel. They want Israel to be in conflict.

 

[Avi1001]

The forces of the Antichrist as per their eschatology. They believe that in the End Times the Antichrist will persecute the Jews and this will culminate in all the armies in the world converging on Israel to destroy it, when face with the armies of the Antichrist, Israel will have a change of heart, accept Jesus en masse and then miraculously he will come back to save the day.

Weird stuff. Christian Zionism is not good for the Jewish people or Israel. They want Israel to be in conflict.

Nice. But aren't some of the Christian Zionists non-literalists ? Or do they all believe this literally ? Is there no such person as a moderate Christian Zionist ?

What do you believe as an Anarcho-Gnostic ?

 

[Brickjectivity]

Interesting observation. Whom do the Christian Zionists want the Jews persecuted by ? Christians, Muslims or both ? So all Christian Zionists are all haters ? Isn't that a bit of a broad brush of hatred ?

Only fundamentalist Christian zionists are of concern, and they are not haters on purpose. Like Hamas they just believe that things must happen a certain way before Jesus returns or before the resurrection or before all believers fly away into the air. They watch and give a little nudge here and there. Sometimes they give a big nudge here and there. There are multiple camps, but they all believe 1. Israel has to become a country 2. there has to be a huge conflict in which Jesus personally rescues Israel, himself. Mt. Olive splits under his feet, etc etc. People die.

Nice. But aren't some of the Christian Zionists non-literalists ? Or do they all believe this literally ? Is there no such person as a moderate Christian Zionist ?

Its perfectly plausible to support Israel's nation status without expecting Jesus to appear there. Most in this group would be the liberal progressives and some of the orthodox, possibly some Catholics (not sure about Orthodox and Catholic). LDS? No idea where LDS would stand on this issue. I think LDS though has a different approach to it entirely.

 

[Desert Snake]

Gee I wonder if there could be a reason why some might?

I agree with Saint F. on this point, it's an unfair and obtuse accusation, I think it's bizarre even, because it isn't like they have some authority to be labeling people like that.

 

[CMike]

Originally Posted by CMike
Somehow I really don't see you caring.
I have been organizing Pro-Israel rallies.
I have had extremely great support from christians.
And they have told me why. They feel that G-D gave the jews Israel, and they come back to Genesis 12:3.
I would take a pro-Israel chrisian rather than an anti-Israel jew anytime.

I'm not telling you what to do, but I ask you not to encourage Christian leaders in this way. Many times Christian leaders here use Israel mania to promote delusions such as miracle healing services, belief in the end of the world, demonic exorcisms, their own personal validity as mouthpieces of God. While you are not at fault, they have a very negative impact on Christians and encourage people to live recklessly here. Over there you are celebrating a renewal, but over here they are celebrating the approaching end of the world. Its not healthy. Please look into it, and consider carefully whom you associate with.

I can say from my personal experience and the ones that I deal with that is not true.

I love the Pro- Israel (zionist) christians. I work great with them.

In fact, a co organizer whom is christian, was three days in the hospital and was very sick there. He got out, and the next day he drove a bit to come to our Pro-Israel rally.

They are extremely dedicated to the cause.

They have told me why. They believe strongly that G-D gave the land of Israel to the jews, and that those that bless the jews will be blessed and those whom curse the jews will be cursed Genesis 12:3.

In fact I am in an alliance with several pastors in doing Pro-Israel rallies.

 

[Desert Snake]

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There is a big difference between labeling an individual who expresses anti-Semitism and labeling an entire branch of Christians as leaning towards anti-Semitism. The theology itself is not anti-Semitic.

Having said that, let me state that I am continue Covenant Xian, and place much importance on the OT, even more so than most Xians, by far, however this again does not influence, or should not indicate a stance on the state of Israel.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Hi brother. Brick lists his religion as "hope" rather than Christian so it's no surprise why we can't relate to his personal misunderstandings. Christians don't celebrate the end of the world, but look forward to the "blessed hope", of the return of Jesus Christ. And the further the world sinks into the state we increasingly find it, the sooner the better for His return, as far as I'm concerned. As a percentage of population, it would seem there are evermore lost, in the world today.

Hope is a nice thing to have, not too flashy. Some Christians don't celebrate the end of the world, and some also recognize that it isn't sinking into an increasingly bad state. Alarmists do. Its easy to get caught up, but things are not bleak everywhere. They are fairly rosy, and lots of good things are in the works. You could fill books with all of the good things that are happening in this time period.

Do you know any Christian leaders that "encourage people to live recklessly" as Brick suggests?

Brick? Who is that? Has anyone seen Peter? I was just looking for him, so we could talk.

The preaching of repentance has given way to such as "prosperity doctrine", and for others, simply just going through empty motions once a week, because there are few quicker ways for an institutional "church" pastor to loose his congregation, than to preach about sin and repentance. You even find churches out there obsessing about their church's carbon footprint, and any other distraction they can find to avoid real preaching. But then....

Has anyone seen Peter?

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: 12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find [it].

Amos 8:74 "And there shall appear a man named Peter knowing bits of arcane prophesy as it were like the back of his hand, and he shall speak not directly to people but as to them which are not present that they may not know from whence he speaketh as one that throweth the voice."

 

[Ingledsva]

Pope Saint Pius V: “With full understanding and in exercising of the apostolic powers, we withdraw from the Jews and their rule (and recognize no right or claim) all properties, which the Jews have in their possession in this city Rome or other places of our domain of rule.” (*** Nos Super)

Pope Paul IV: “It is too absurd and pointless that the Jews, whom their own guilt condemns to slavery, under the pretence that Christian piety suffers and tolerates their coexistence, pay back [with wickedness] the mercy received from Christians.” (*** Nimis Absurdum)

Pope Leo VII: “Let the Gospel be preached unto them and, if they remain obstinate, let them be expelled.”

Pope Adrian I at the Second Ecumenical Council of Nicea: “Since certain, erring in the superstitions of the Hebrews, have thought to mock at Christ our God, and feigning to be converted to the religion of Christ do deny him, and in private and secretly keep the Sabbath and observe other Jewish customs, we decree that such persons be not received to communion, nor to prayers, nor into the Church; but let them be openly Hebrew according to their religion, and let them not bring their children to baptism, nor purchase or possess a slave.”

Pope Innocent IV: “We who long with all our hearts for the salvation of souls, grant you full authority by these present letters to banish the Jews, either in your own person or through the agency of others, especially since, as we have been informed, they do not abide by the regulations drawn up for them by this Holy See.” (To the King of France)

Pope Saint Martin I: “If anyone shall teach a slave, under pretext of piety, to despise his master and to run away from his service, and not to serve his own master with good-will and all honour, let him be anathema.”

Pope Benedict XIV: “It is fitting for Jews to serve Christians, but not for Christians to serve Jews. On the contrary, the Jews, as slaves rejected by that Saviour Whose death they wickedly contrived, should recognize themselves in fact and in creed the slaves of those whom the death of Christ has set free, even as it has rendered them bondmen.” (Quoting Pope Innocent III, “Etsi Judaeos”)

Pope Gregory IX: “They ought to know the yoke of perpetual enslavement because of their guilt. See to it that the perfidious Jews never in the future become insolent, but that they always suffer publicly the shame of their sin in servile fear.” (Epistle to the Hierarchy of Germany)

Pope Alexander III at the Third Lateran Ecumenical Council: “We declare that the evidence of Christians is to be accepted against Jews in every case, since Jews employ their own witnesses against Christians - and that those who prefer Jews to Christians in this matter are to lie under anathema, since Jews ought to be slaves to Christians.” (Canon 26)
http://www.romancatholicism.org/popes-jews.htm

Pope Innocent III: “The Jews, by their own guilt, are consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord.” (To the Archbishops of Sens and Paris)

Pope Innocent IV: “And that you [King Saint Louis IX] order both the aforesaid abusive books [The Talmud] condemned by the same doctors and generally all the books with their glosses which were examined and condemned by them to be burned by fire wherever they can be found throughout your entire kingdom, strictly forbidding that Jews henceforth have Christian nurses or servants, that the sons of a free woman may not serve the sons of a bondwoman, but as slaves condemned by the Lord, whose death they wickedly plotted, they at least outwardly recognize themselves as slaves of those whom the death of Christ made free and themselves slaves. So we may commend the zeal of your sincerity in the Lord with due praises.” (The Wicked Perfidy of the Jews)

Pope Saint Martin I: “If anyone shall teach a slave, under pretext of piety, to despise his master and to run away from his service, and not to serve his own master with good-will and all honour, let him be anathema.”

Pope Gregory IX: “They ought to know the yoke of perpetual enslavement because of their guilt. See to it that the perfidious Jews never in the future become insolent, but that they always suffer publicly the shame of their sin in servile fear.” (Epistle to the Hierarchy of Germany)

Pope Alexander III at the Third Lateran Ecumenical Council: “We declare that the evidence of Christians is to be accepted against Jews in every case, since Jews employ their own witnesses against Christians - and that those who prefer Jews to Christians in this matter are to lie under anathema, since Jews ought to be slaves to Christians.” (Canon 26)



Gee I wonder if there could be a reason why some might?

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[CMike]

Hi brother. Brick lists his religion as "hope" rather than Christian so it's no surprise why we can't relate to his personal misunderstandings. Christians don't celebrate the end of the world, but look forward to the "blessed hope", of the return of Jesus Christ. And the further the world sinks into the state we increasingly find it, the sooner the better for His return, as far as I'm concerned. As a percentage of population, it would seem there are evermore lost, in the world today.

Do you know any Christian leaders that "encourage people to live recklessly" as Brick suggests? I would agree that there is no shortage of money grubbing heretic Christian posers, particularly now that we are so far into this prophesied "falling away" or apostasy, of the institutional "church".
FALLING AWAY OR APOSTASY

The preaching of repentance has given way to such as "prosperity doctrine", and for others, simply just going through empty motions once a week, because there are few quicker ways for an institutional "church" pastor to loose his congregation, than to preach about sin and repentance. You even find churches out there obsessing about their church's carbon footprint, and any other distraction they can find to avoid real preaching. But then....

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: 12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find [it].

Just look at what's happening in Europe, as the Christian remnant has all but disappeared and churches are converted into mosques, and antisemitism is stunningly-rapidly on the rise throughout the land.
europe antisemitism rise - Bing

I have the greatest admiration for the pro Israel christians.

Usually they are the evangelicals.

 

[CMike]

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