Multiculturalism:Your Opinion

[Alceste]

Let's set aside the mawkish, mewling ideologies for a moment and look at things critically and objectively.
How exactly does a society that embraces freedom and equality also embrace an outside culture that's highly repressive, homophobic, misogynistic, and doesn't embrace its host society in return?

Let's set aside the arrogant, sneering condescention and... Oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to. Carry on.

 

[YmirGF]

How exactly does a society that embraces freedom and equality also embrace an outside culture that's highly repressive, homophobic, misogynistic, and doesn't embrace its host society in return?

You already have laws to deal with these kinds of things. All you need is the political will to exact justice, where and when needed...

 

[Alceste]

You already have laws to deal with these kinds of things. All you need is the political will to exact justice, where and when needed...

Exactly. We have laws against discrimination and abuse and immigrants and expected to follow the law. Beyond that, it's really none of my business what other people believe, and not my job to pass judgment on their culture.

 

[ShivaFan]

Namaste

Phil, I support multiculturalism in a big way, but then I also do not support importing terrorists and EOD's (enemy of democracy, enemies of small "d" Republicanism). I think that some who are anti-legal immigration are indeed bigots, but from my personal experience the biggest bigots who are violent and ruffians against hard working and contributing immigrants comes from the violent, selfish and bigotted "rap" and so-called hip hop "culture" who constantly harrass non-African ethnicity Indians (from India), Middle Eastern, Jewish etc. shop owners, attack Chinese on the street (happens all the time in Oakland CA and hardly ever is such racist attacks reported by the leftist media).

Now Viets in San Jose in the Silicon valley are being racially attacked by this violent trend. Koreans, too.

Not all who are for some immigration but legal immigration and hesitant about the phony race baiting of the left are bigots, far from it.

I also believe you must have a border to have a country.

Today I am at VMworld in S.F., I believe I heard there are 24,000 participants here. I see many ethinic representation, even many countries. America is the most welcoming people on earth, most are, and capitalists and hard working business community certainly are. However, there are also those who want to use cheap labor, but this is reforming and more are tired and disgusted with that aspect, from my view their are big offenders called "crony capitalists" aligned with left wing politicians and obese government.

That aside, it is really encouraging to sit down with so many of all sorts of ethnicity, Chinese, a lot of Koreans, Indians both North and Tamil, Slavics, African-Americans, WASPS (like me), Viets, on and on and on, innovators and minds full of adventure, discovery and contribution.

The world isn't "simple", nor easy, nor is there some utopian answer. But I sure like America.

I don't fit in either the two top choices but someplace inbetween. So I guess I will vote "ok" but the description doesn't fit me. The "dominant culture" I support is called freedom.

 

[Kerr]

I like multiculturalism. But I am not sure I would vote for the first option, due to the wording, and the other options are too negative .

EDIT:

Funny story regarding this that my mom told me. When I was a child we went to Africa. My mother had told me that people where black down there. Black! I said I would NEVER become friends with people like that (I was 4 and know any better). So what do you think happened? As it turns out, I forgot about that rather quickly. Got a lot of good friends down there now .

 

[ShivaFan]

An example of the diversity and multiculturalism at the VMworld 2014 in San Francisco, California, just from some of the sessions included:

Jen-Hsun Huang, CEO Nvidia
- You may have heard of NVIDIA if you are a "gamer", but they supply the GPUs for High Performance CUDA enabled server processing.

Sanjay Poonen, Executive VP and GM End User Computing, VMware
- If you don't know what VMware is, then you should learn

Today I was also at a session on High Availability and the speaker was Gurusimran Khalsa, top in his field. Yes, he is a Sikh, no he is not from India. He is a white caucasian. He had a huge audience.

In another session, one presenter had his laptop desktop displayed on a screen to several thousand for about 4 seconds. My eyes immediately caught one on the application icons on his desktop, three horizontal white lines with a red dot just below, the tilak of Saiva Siddhanta.

This is the world today. And is the world in America, too. If you want to be successful in it, then be happy with those who are successful.

 

[samosasauce]

I love the idea of cultures mixing together in many beautiful ways to form new experiences and cultures and new beauty to see. I absolutely love multiculturalism and interracial relationships and whatnot

 

[dgirl1986]

I love the idea of cultures mixing together in many beautiful ways to form new experiences and cultures and new beauty to see. I absolutely love multiculturalism and interracial relationships and whatnot

This

 

[Vinayaka]

Here we have a 3 day festival, first week in August every year called Heritage Days. It usually has 60+ cultural booths and generally draws great crowds. You can taste foods from around the world, enjoy music and dance, and purchase crafts. A mini-world in one big park. My only complaint about it is they view vast India as one culture. When the Sikhs asked for a separate tent, they were refused.

 

[dgirl1986]

Here we have a 3 day festival, first week in August every year called Heritage Days. It usually has 60+ cultural booths and generally draws great crowds. You can taste foods from around the world, enjoy music and dance, and purchase crafts. A mini-world in one big park. My only complaint about it is they view vast India as one culture. When the Sikhs asked for a separate tent, they were refused.

Arent Sikhs part of a religion rather than a culture?

 

[icehorse]

Let's set aside the mawkish, mewling ideologies for a moment and look at things critically and objectively.
How exactly does a society that embraces freedom and equality also embrace an outside culture that's highly repressive, homophobic, misogynistic, and doesn't embrace its host society in return?

(you forgot "intolerant" and several other adjectives)

Seriously, this is a key point. Core values must be shared. E.g., multi-culturalism doesn't work if one of the cultures thinks martyrdom is a fine idea. How about if all of the immigrants needed to agree to ideologically-non-diluted, international human rights standards?

In other words, everyone's gotta be playing nice.

 

[dgirl1986]

(you forgot "intolerant" and several other adjectives)

Seriously, this is a key point. Core values must be shared. E.g., multi-culturalism doesn't work if one of the cultures thinks martyrdom is a fine idea. How about if all of the immigrants needed to agree to ideologically-non-diluted, international human rights standards?

In other words, everyone's gotta be playing nice.

International human rights standards dont seem to do a lot.

 

[icehorse]

Well the 1990 Cairo Declaration on Human Rights is ideologically diluted. That's a problem.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Arent Sikhs part of a religion rather than a culture?

I would think their religion plays a major role in their culture.
Sounds like the displays, etc were set around national borders, whereas culture is not so easily divided up.

 

[Father Heathen]

Arent Sikhs part of a religion rather than a culture?

Although they're separate things, they heavily influence one another.

 

[dgirl1986]

Fair point

 

[Alceste]

(you forgot "intolerant" and several other adjectives)

Seriously, this is a key point. Core values must be shared. E.g., multi-culturalism doesn't work if one of the cultures thinks martyrdom is a fine idea. How about if all of the immigrants needed to agree to ideologically-non-diluted, international human rights standards?

In other words, everyone's gotta be playing nice.

As I said, we have laws that immigrants must follow regardless of their own values. In general, they tend to observe the laws, so their values are none of my concern.

 

[Estro Felino]

well..I definitely agree with these protesters. Because Hispanic immigrants don't take the English language learning seriously, and this cannot be tolerated.
If you want to live in the Us, you are supposed to speak English.

And what irritates me the most is that some children of Hispanic immigrants make a mixture between Spanish and English. So they speak Spanish, but their Spanish is so full of grammatical mistakes, that irritates me.

 

[Father Heathen]

well..I definitely agree with these protesters. Because Hispanic immigrants don't take the English language learning seriously, and this cannot be tolerated.
If you want to live in the Us, you are supposed to speak English.

Why not cheokee?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Personally, I've always had friend and acquaintances of a wide range of nationalities, colors, religions, and cultures, and I find it interesting and fulfilling. I also think that the idea that mixing people together necessarilly makes them all somehow better is flawed. I also find that we're basically all very similar, and that the surface attributes we define as "culture" are less significant than people tend to think.