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Why would God create Evolution?

Maldini

Active Member
Why not just plant everything immediately? Why take 13 .82 billion years before putting Humans on Earth?

You either accept Evolution or not. And If you do, saying stuff like God's the force behind Evolution, or God has created evolution is meaningless because when you can create stuff from scratch, why create Evolution? Why not just make the products? To mess with smart people who study science?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
What better way is there to make the "products"?
Were there a supreme creator, it clearly used the laws of physics to create astronomical
objects, so the same would work just fine for life. Besides, it has no reason to be in a hurry.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Why not just plant everything immediately? Why take 13 .82 billion years before putting Humans on Earth?

You either accept Evolution or not. And If you do, saying stuff like God's the force behind Evolution, or God has created evolution is meaningless because when you can create stuff from scratch, why create Evolution? Why not just make the products? To mess with smart people who study science?

So, why did he supposedly take six days instead of just one?
 

Amechania

Daimona of the Helpless
So, why did he supposedly take six days instead of just one?

The powerful angel union the UDWE (United Divine Workers of Eternity) demanded a 40-hour work week. Even so it was only about half done by Saturday and Jehovah hired scabs to finish the job. This caused the walkout by Lucifer, then head of the UDWE, and about 1/3 of the workforce. They've been in negotiations ever since with neither side willing to compromise on pay rates. The angel union wants a full set of wings per bell ring, but management refuses to allow for more than a single wing per jingling.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You either accept evidence or accept ancient myths. You either decide using reason and evidence or turn off your mind and declare it all magic.

There are either understandable mechanisms that explain how things happen, or there is magic. Which is more reasonable?
 

Maldini

Active Member
It's funny religious people never reply to this question.

Why make products in the first place?

Most of the things said of gods are ad hoc anyway.

That would be the true question but most of religious people always have some crap answer for that.

But the question I asked always shuts them up.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
This OP question is similar to asking believers, "How exactly G-d created the universe". Just like we don't know the actual mechanics of how G-d created something from nothing, we also don't know other random details about G-d's creation. G-d created physics and natural laws to work as they do. Critiquing Creation and the what-is doesn't accomplish anything.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Why not just plant everything immediately? Why take 13 .82 billion years before putting Humans on Earth?

You either accept Evolution or not. And If you do, saying stuff like God's the force behind Evolution, or God has created evolution is meaningless because when you can create stuff from scratch, why create Evolution? Why not just make the products? To mess with smart people who study science?

Why create gravity? Why not just poof people into sticking to the surface of the earth?
 

Parsimony

Well-Known Member
He could have designed everything at once, but perhaps He simply liked the idea of a pre-programmed universe bringing things into existence from its own physical laws. I can see some appeal in that from a personal standpoint. It would be pretty neat to watch things unfold on their own.
 

Maldini

Active Member
He could have designed everything at once, but perhaps He simply liked the idea of a pre-programmed universe bringing things into existence from its own physical laws. I can see some appeal in that from a personal standpoint. It would be pretty neat to watch things unfold on their own.

But that would mean we are his toys. Are we god's toys?

And couldn't god foresee that scientist will find out and that would lead them, who are mostly nice and smart people, among his best creations, to renounce God?
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Why not just plant everything immediately? Why take 13 .82 billion years before putting Humans on Earth?

You either accept Evolution or not. And If you do, saying stuff like God's the force behind Evolution, or God has created evolution is meaningless because when you can create stuff from scratch, why create Evolution? Why not just make the products? To mess with smart people who study science?
Why would you assume that preternatural agency would be more interested in product than process? Your question is silly.
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Why not just plant everything immediately? Why take 13 .82 billion years before putting Humans on Earth?
Because it's a very smart way of designing things.

There are currently product being made that have been "designed" using an evolutionary process.

Games today have more and more content created by algorithms, and more of them are using "genetic algorithms" for that purpose.

The reason is, it's faster, more creative, more dynamic, and even surprising to the "designer" him/herself when things show up they never though of.

It's just plainly smart. To have to think of every detail by hand and make it by hand takes time, effort, and not as surprising.

You either accept Evolution or not. And If you do, saying stuff like God's the force behind Evolution, or God has created evolution is meaningless because when you can create stuff from scratch, why create Evolution?
Because creating a process like evolution is a sign of a higher intelligence. Hand crafting every piece by hand corresponds with the old potters in the old time that had to make the clay by hand and the pots by hand and paint by hand... yada yada.

Why not just make the products? To mess with smart people who study science?
When I draw, I experiment by doing things random. Many things that are "designed" comes from accidental things. Then you improve details over time. Trial and error actually works. That's how cars were made. Airplanes, and many other things have been developed by trial and error.

For instance, if your cell phone is so perfect, why is there thousands of designs, and why has it changed os much over the years? It should be perfected and not have any need of improvements. But for some reason, we discover constantly new things we should add to the "phone". New games, new apps, etc. The world is in constant flux. God is in constant change. That'w what life is, change.

To change and improve is what is smart. To have a God that imitates old smiths from the 18th century doesn't show a smart, mathematical, practical God. We design and use tools to help us design. Are we better than God since we can but God can't?
 

Musty

Active Member
The fundamental problem with a God creator is when you've the power to do anything and you are all knowing nothing you do has any value anymore because there is no challenge.

If there is a God they must the the most apathetic individual ever to exist.
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
But that would mean we are his toys. Are we god's toys?

And couldn't god foresee that scientist will find out and that would lead them, who are mostly nice and smart people, among his best creations, to renounce God?

The smart scientists have discovered that Evolution is true. If Evolution is true, that means that's how God did it. Why reject it because by principle someone needs God to have done it in the way ancient people thought?

The ancient Genesis creation idea came from people who didn't have computers or machines. Yet the image remains because people reject what science has discovered.

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Let me put it this way. I'm a programmer. I've designed many computer softwares throughout the years. It's actually very cool, interesting, and exciting to create programs that can do things for me. Programmers today have to use SDK (software development kits), IDEs (integrated development environment), frameworks, tools, and much more that didn't exist when I start 35 years ago. You can do so much more with these tools. I still remember when I wrote my first assembler in the 80's. It was so cool. Imagine to write an emulator for Knuth's MMIX? Have you done it? If not, how can you say it's something God wouldn't want to do? Can God only do things that you like him to do?
 
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Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Your error might be in assuming that the purpose of the past, present and future of the entire universe was to create modern humans.
Ya think?

The irony here is that this is precisely the assumption one might get from a creationist who perceives himself/herself as the purpose of the universe. :)
 

Sir Doom

Cooler than most of you
Why not just plant everything immediately? Why take 13 .82 billion years before putting Humans on Earth?

You either accept Evolution or not. And If you do, saying stuff like God's the force behind Evolution, or God has created evolution is meaningless because when you can create stuff from scratch, why create Evolution? Why not just make the products? To mess with smart people who study science?

You are assuming God is almighty. I do not assume that. Makes a lot more sense that way.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Why not just plant everything immediately? Why take 13 .82 billion years before putting Humans on Earth?

You either accept Evolution or not. And If you do, saying stuff like God's the force behind Evolution, or God has created evolution is meaningless because when you can create stuff from scratch, why create Evolution? Why not just make the products? To mess with smart people who study science?

Its the nature of the physical world. He created things to reproduce. When they reproduce, they are individuals and not clones, hence they are slightly different.

And thats how we come to have so much variety.
 
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