Babies Born Racist?

[Revoltingest]

Study: Babies Show Racial Bias « CBS Seattle
People love to say that racism is a learned thing, perhaps hoping that it
might be cured completely some day by our just becoming more advanced.
Does the above linked study dash such hope?

 

[bobhikes]

Being that Race doesn't exist I don't know how they can be born that way. According to scientific studies they are born with selective preferences. The scientific studies make no claims of racism. I think the news does it to drive up ratings. Being that most people get there science from a 5 min news bite you're probably right, racism will be around forever.

 

[Revoltingest]

Being that Race doesn't exist I don't know how they can be born that way. According to scientific studies they are born with selective preferences. The scientific studies make no claims of racism. I think the news does it to drive up ratings. Being that most people get there science from a 5 min news bite you're probably right, racism will be around forever.

Babies aren't yet aware of the notion that race doesn't exist, so they notice racial differences.
The really interesting aspect is how the act upon what they notice.

 

[bobhikes]

Babies aren't yet aware of the notion that race doesn't exist, so they notice racial differences.
The really interesting aspect is how the act upon what they notice.

There are no racial differences. Race doesn't exist. Babies act upon differences from there mother and father. Mostly mother, from the studies. These are not even always what we consider racial. For example they may not like men with mustaches.

 

[Revoltingest]

There are no racial differences. Race doesn't exist. Babies act upon differences from there mother and father. Mostly mother, from the studies. These are not even always what we consider racial. For example they may not like men with mustaches.

"Race doesn't exist." is one opinion. But many of us do see race.
Consider:
How do we tell whites from blacks? Cuz the former are generally beiger than the latter.
Even government believes race exists. On the MI business census form, they even threaten
me with prosecution if I don't divulge my race. Our local university (U of M) recently lamented
that its racial makeup was disappointingly short of blacks. Certainly, if left leaning academics
with a plethora of PhDs can count up students by race, then it must exist.

 

[Iti oj]

The difference between blacks and whites is the same as the difference between blonds and brunettes

 

[Revoltingest]

The difference between blacks and whites is the same as the difference between blonds and brunettes

Blonds appear to be more genetically similar to brunettes than black folk are to whites.
Consider that the "blond gene" might be a single mutation, while whites have some
Neanderthal DNA unlike blacks (who never dated Neanderthals, perhaps due to an
aversion to long distance relationships). We also see that races have different diseases
afflicting them, & that they respond differently to drug treatments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/neanderthal/

We need Painted Wolf to weigh in on the biology & genetic aspects of this issue.
(I'm far to ignorant to thoroughly debate such a thing.)

 

[Iti oj]

Blonds appear to be more genetically similar to brunettes than black folk are to whites.
Consider that the "blond gene" might be a single mutation, while whites have some
Neanderthal DNA unlike blacks (who never dated Neanderthals, perhaps due to an
aversion to long distance relationships). We also see that races have different diseases
afflicting them, & that they respond differently to drug treatments.
Blond - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/neanderthal/

We need Painted Wolf to weigh in on the biology & genetic aspects of this issue.
(I'm far to ignorant to thoroughly debate such a thing.)

Your right in saying their are more allele changes, but they are just that. Differences on alleles. Their is no race gene.

 

[Iti oj]

and yes I hope we see PW as well.

 

[Revoltingest]

Your right in saying their are more allele changes, but they are just that. Differences on alleles. Their is no race gene.

We can agree that there is certainly no single gene which determines race.
Allele differences are still genetic differences, & the resulting phenotypical
traits would determine race.

 

[Iti oj]

We can agree that there is certainly no single gene which determines race.
Allele differences are still genetic differences, & the resulting phenotypical
traits would determine race.

That labeling is arbitrary, event if thev distinction is clear.

 

[Revoltingest]

That labeling is arbitrary, event if thev distinction is clear.

No argument here.

 

[Breathe]

Study: Babies Show Racial Bias « CBS Seattle
People love to say that racism is a learned thing, perhaps hoping that it
might be cured completely some day by our just becoming more advanced.
Does the above linked study dash such hope?

Pretty much.
Racism, however unpleasant and unpalatable it is to most of us, is a natural and innate reaction in the majority of people and is probably a survival mechanism: I don't recognise the other group, he is "other", and must be a threat; the appearance of one would probably have factored into that to some extent.

Some people have claimed that racism is borne out of lack of exposure to people of other ethnic groups, but living in an area which is incredibly diverse, I can say that this is often not the case.

Sadly, all it takes is one person to do something to another of another group, and then it frequently becomes not the action of one prick in particular, but everyone who looks like that guy, who also share in his status of being a prick, even though they had nothing to do with it. I've known a few people go from very liberal and multicultural to becoming bigoted racists -- at least against a particular group -- after just one bad incident.

Dismissing racism and racists and ignoring it (like all forms of bigotry and bigot), rather than trying to understand where it comes from and finding ways to remedy the causes, is something that I think is bad for society in the long-term. Even if it vanishes out of the public sphere, it can still continue underground, but people will be more select about where and with whom they discuss it, but will be oh so much more bitter.

Maybe when we're fighting the Zerg people will stop blaming things happening because of ethnic group/"race", sexuality, religion, gender, sex, and so on.

 

[bobhikes]

Check out the actual scientific study as well as your own posted thread.

The writer of the article implys race not the scientists.

Babies are sensitive to how people of the same ethnicity as the infant, versus a different ethnicity, are treated – they weren’t just interested in who was being fair or unfair,” Monica Burns, co-author of the study and a former UW Psychology undergraduate student, and currently a psychology graduate student at Harvard University, said. “It’s interesting how infants integrate information before choosing who to interact with, they’re not just choosing based on a single dimension.”
Sommerville did point out that this research does not mean that babies are racist.

From your posted article

 

[Revoltingest]

Check out the actual scientific study as well as your own posted thread.
The writer of the article implys race not the scientists.
Babies are sensitive to how people of the same ethnicity as the infant, versus a different ethnicity, are treated – they weren’t just interested in who was being fair or unfair,” Monica Burns, co-author of the study and a former UW Psychology undergraduate student, and currently a psychology graduate student at Harvard University, said. “It’s interesting how infants integrate information before choosing who to interact with, they’re not just choosing based on a single dimension.”

The only thing I'll say with certainty is that the article raises the question.

Sommerville did point out that this research does not mean that babies are racist.

From your posted article

Note the question mark in the thread's deliberately provocative title.

 

[4consideration]

Study: Babies Show Racial Bias « CBS Seattle
People love to say that racism is a learned thing, perhaps hoping that it
might be cured completely some day by our just becoming more advanced.
Does the above linked study dash such hope?

Nope.

That article doesn't even convince me that babies are born with a racial bias, much less being born racist.

(That's the short answer. )

 

[George-ananda]

How about we replace the now naughty word 'race' with 'historical ethnicity'. I haven't yet heard people say there is no such thing as 'ethnic' groups and even babies can tell the difference from just the most obvious external features.

I think the revulsion to cruelty on the basis of race has made it hard for many people to think logically about these subjects.

 

[George-ananda]

I think there is confusion today on what the word 'racism' actually means.

If I believe African-Americans are on-average better genetically endowed to be basketball and football players than Japanese-Americans, am I a racist?

 

[Copernicus]

Race is a social category based on phenotypic characteristics, not a genetic one. Saying that it "isn't real" ignores the fact that it has been real enough to cause wars and riots. People can go to the ridiculous length of seeing racial differences among caucasians. WWII was even fought over such issues.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I think there is confusion today on what the word 'racism' actually means.

If I believe African-Americans are on-average better genetically endowed to be basketball and football players than Japanese-Americans, am I a racist?

They're also more likely to suffer strokes and lung cancer. Would taking such things into consideration make a doctor racist?

It is an interesting question of whether discernment equates to discrimination.