Can't stand the energy of the Taijitu, why?

[DreadFish]

That darned counterintuitiveness of Taoism again.

It's simple... too simple... :thud:

 

[agorman]

Thing is, how individual are you really? By the basic meaning of the word, it would imply something that can't be divided into more parts. If you can actually find a part of you that is individual, you're one step ahead of almost everybody else.

Maybe I am one step ahead in some things; because while I was a Vaishnava, Krishna once revealed to me the nature of the atma in a vision. He showed himself as a Krishna made of other little Krishnas, which were in turn made of other smaller Krishnas... and I could have continued forever; because what he wanted to tell me is you can't really divide the true self; the idea of an eternal person itself. In another vision Krishna also asked me to cut him in half and two copies of him formed. But it was always him.

So, there is no universal God; only billions of eternal, indestructible individuals who will all someday exist just for loving and playing. Isn't that great?

But I tried to follow that Hinduism path again and again and there's always some problem; the last one was social. People in general, my parents, my workmates, most of my friends, turn into "hostile scornful mocker" mode when I'm in that path. So much so that Radha and Krishna finally transmitted to me that some people were laughing at my back and I'd better go back to Jesus at least in appearance; otherwise I'd loose everything; my things, my job, etc. I asked for protection, but then I'd have needed protection from 90% of Society!

Pretty much the only tolerated paths here in Argentina are atheism and Christianity.

The other obstacle was that I was tired of expecting things from the gods instead of just depending on myself. Now I feel that Jesus (which I think it's the same Krishna really) is guiding me to becoming independent. Which has nothing to do with traditional Christianity, LOL, but I don't care about being in a formal religion anyway.

Anyway I still miss Krishna sometimes. Maybe I became a godaholic.

I wouldn't really classify Taoism as really left or right-handed, its just a naturalistic school of thought.

So isn't wanting to unite with Nature RHP?

Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 20
I am nourished by the great mother.

That sounds so Wiccan!

 

[crossfire]

So isn't wanting to unite with Nature RHP?

Unite with what?

The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named is not the eternal name
​

--first two lines of the Tao Te Ching

"Wanting" won't get you to the "essence" (which is contrary to the first two lines)

Thus, constantly without desire, one observes its essence
Constantly with desire, one observes its manifestations
​

--fifth and sixth lines of the Tao Te Ching

These two emerge together but differ in name
The unity is said to be the mystery
Mystery of mysteries, the door to all wonders​

--seventh through ninth lines of the Tao Te Ching emphasizes non-duality--not left, not right. (Although I would say that Taoism prefers the left, according to its own definition of the left.)

 

[nash8]

On three occasions I've made the experiment of putting a Taijitu symbol on my shrine. At the beginning it gave me a good, intense energy; especially for healing myself and for sleeping. e.g. at night I repeated the affirmation "my chi circulates perfectly" and that made me sleep (I don't know why). My idea was generally, to use it to pass from one pole to another. e.g. if I was cold, I passed to heat (yang) and I felt better, etc.

Did you loose this focus of conception during any point of having the Taijitu symbol on your shrine? If you begin to falter in your conception of the symbol creating balance, and instead begin to see the two energies as opposite? Your original basis seems sound, but if you began to see it is something else during the course of it, then it would be likely that you would see the energies as opposing, and thus they would act like magnets repelling each other, rather than electricity flowing seamlessly from negative to positive.

But after a few days I couldn't keep it there because I eventually couldn't stand the energy. So much so that I couldn't sleep, so I removed it at night. But that wasn't enough. I once dreamt I was burning alive and I started to feel that way (although in a much milder way than in dreams) while I was awake. I was nervous; "accelerated" and my skin felt like it was receiving infrared rays or something; it was burning and uncomfortable. The more I remembered and concentrated on the symbol on my shrine and the worse it got.

Or it could be that you were being overcharged according to this description. I liken it to a cars electrical system. If you have produce too much current through wires that aren't able to hold the current properly, then you will catch the wires on fire, and possibly burn down the whole car.

Basically, the nadis and/or meridians, or energy channels within the Hindu energy system are like the wires of a car. If you have a 0 gauge wire then you can handle a lot of current, but if you have 16 gauge wire, then the wires will likely melt and/or catch fire because the current traveling through them is too great for the wire to hold without overheating.

No other symbol had such powerful effect on me so far. Who knows why? Maybe I was misinterpreting it like the (+) (-) poles of a battery and I was overcharging myself with chi? Did I have a conflict between light and darkness which I didn't know how to harmonize?

In my opinion you were correctly interpreting it as the (+) (-) terminals of a battery, but I agree that you were probably overcharing yourself. The human body is like a car in my opinion.

1) The size of the battery in the car is the amount of connection that you have with the universe. I.E. how much energy you draw in from the universe. This correlates within the human body as spiritual connection with the universe as a whole. This would be earthstar and soulstar chakras, the point at which energy is introduced into the physical being.

2. The size of the alternator in a car, is how much current you yourself can produce with the energy provided by the battery. This correlates to how physically and mentally fit you are. If you have a high level of physical fitness then you will be able to produce more energy given a certain input. This would be the strength of the chakras in the body within the Hindu energy system.

3. Lastly you have the wiring in you car. These are the Nadis and the Meridians within the Hindu energy system. You can have the biggest battery and biggest alternator known to man but, if you can't transport the energy to different parts of the car/person, without the wires catching fire, then your screwed.

So in summary, if any part of your energy system was not capalbe of holding the energy that the yin-yang was providing to you, than it would be understandable that you were being "overchared" and possibly "catching fire", which would have made you feel the way you did.

It would be interesting for me to be able to use the Taijitu in a good way because my intention is one day to be able to evolve spiritually without the help of any deities (at most, archetypes); I think it would be a wonderful tool. If you have any tips, links, books, etc. on how to use it I'd appreciate it. Thank you.

In my opinion, archetypes can help you on this journey, but you must realize what the archetype represents nergetically. If you use an archetype that charges you battery when you need larger wiring it's not going to help you, and it will probably even hurt you. It will make you even more likely to catch your wires on fire in my opinion.

My suggestion would be to intuitize what aspect of your being needs the most work in order to sustain the energy that the yin-yang provides. If you have neglected you star chakras (battery) then focus on them, if you have neglected your bodily chakras (alternator) then focus on them, and if you have neglected your nadis/meridians (wiring), then focus on them.

If you find that all of your energy systems are inadequate to support the energy that the yin-yang provides you, than continue to develop each aspect of your being until you are able to handle the energy the yinyang provides for you. I would suggest that you build up each of the aspects of the energy system until you feel comfortable with them, and then place the yin-yang on your alter again. If it still overpowers you, deduce which aspect of your being is being overpowered and work on developing it. Continue this process until you feel comfortable with the energy that the yin-yang provides. I would also say that it might not be a good idea to keep it on your alter permanently as it might continue to provide you with all the energy you are capable of handling at that point in time. Keep it on your alter until you begin to feel uncomfortable with it, then take it off, build up your energy system, then place it back on your alter until you begin to feel uncomfortable with it again.

No, but I read something similar before. The problem is I still don't understand how come some opposites can't be in conflict instead of cooperation or harmony.

That is the challenge my friend. Wisdom, in my opinion, comes in the realization that opposites aren't neccesarily in conflict, and also, in realizing in the single way that they are not in conflict.

e.g. a girl can be pregnant or not, someone is dead or not, there is no middle term. If you refer to natural principles then they can be in harmony, but if you refer to ALL concepts and ideas, then I still don't see how ying and yang can't "fight" each other.

Is a girl being pregnant or not pregnant neccesarily in conflict with each other? Is being dead or alive being in conflict with one onother? A pregnant woman doesn't neccesarily fight a non-pregnant woman, does a dead person fight a person that is alive? Just because opposites exist, doesn't neccesarily mean that they inhernetly fight each other in my opinon.

 

[nash8]

It sounds like you need to understand the next step of ming or clear seeing: wu wei and wei wu wei.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_wei

Try to associate the taijitu with wu wei, rather than yin and yang fighting each other. Associating yin and yang as opposing forces rather than means of change will obscure wu wei.

Indeed.

Well in my dream/vision the white man just stayed standing on the left side of my bed and emmitted rays of an intense white light from his hand palms directed to my torso and the black woman passed her hands over me to distribute the light and darkness to the right places; also depositing energy and removing the excess of it. She seemed to be modelling energy. If they wanted to tell me something they did it by sending thoughts; they didn't open their mouths so I heard no voice.

So the "white man" emitted the light and the "black woman" directed the light were it needed to go?

The white man was so luminous I could barely see his face's features. Similar to this priest but with more adorned and shining, silk clothes:

http://kaleidoscope.cultural-china.com/chinaWH/upload/upfiles/2010-06/25/zhang_sanfeng_%E5%BC%A0%E4%B8%89%E4%B8%B0a_semimythical_chinese_taoist_priest36b1ea4ecc58c8a78914.jpg

The black woman was naked, attractive, with caucasian face features and yellow luminous eyes, somewhat like this:

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/Digital/Digital0702/Digital070200009/749376-wild-panther-woman.jpg

Yeah, I was about to say that chick is hot lol. Spritual manajia, sweet. . I have a natural attraction to the spirit of the panther myself. It is a most prominent animal energy in my opinion. A literla representation of a naturalistic energy in my opinion. Both the lion and the panther.

I don't really know. The more I think about it and the more I find opposites in every spiritual and material thing.

Don't disregard these, if you don't have opposites then the energy won't flow in my opinion.. The key for me, is to realize how the oppisites flow amongst each other, rather than realizing that they are the same in the first place.

[/quote] crossfire, after reading that article about wu wei I suppose it means something like the Buddhist "right action". A wise man knows when to act and not to act, so harmony is preserved.[/quote]

Indeed, but this is much harder to actually act upon in real life in my opinion, as "the right action" might be totally opposite of one another dependent on the situation.

Everything changes. Old (unstable) yang becomes young (stable) yin, and old (unstable) yin becomes young (stable) yang.

Indeed, one of the fundamental principles in my opinion. Transfer of energy to the place where it can be transformed into a "differnet" energy.

Perhaps thinking of harmony of opposites as "coordination?"

The negative side of a magnet attracs with the positive side of another magnet no?

Thanks for the tasty tidbit for contemplation!

Indeed, this is one of the best discussions, much less thread on this forum, that I have been apart of.

I would definitely emphasize that yin and yang are not opposing forces that compete with each other; they are more like complementary forces, each dependent on the other for it's own essence and ebbing and flowing according to the other.

Indeed, if all we had was positive or negative energy we wouldn't have lights, television, computers, or cars.

I think it's a common and unfortunate misunderstanding of Taoism that it's dualistic and about opposing forces reaching harmony. Rather, I see that the philosophy illustrates ultimate non-duality through the cooperation of opposites. The point is that the opposites are never actually separate but complementary.

Indeed I would agree, the idea that "two become one" is dualistic to many people. But I think that the realization that two is two, but two is also one, is what people fail to realize.

You can't define one extreme without the opposite extreme. There are also spectrums along opposites, there's not just black and white, they blend into various shades of grey depending on how much more of one color is blended in. On a seesaw, the two ends are connected to each other and it's angle varies depending on how much weight is applied to either end. When a seesaw is left alone, a properly functioning seesaw naturally balances itself, and if a force is applied to it, it naturally yields to compensate for the extra force applied.

Balance is inevitable.

Sort of like chapter 77 in the Tao Te Ching:

The Tao of heaven is like the bending of a bow.
The high is lowered, and the low is raised.
If the string is too long, it is shortened;
If there is not enough, it is made longer.

Great analogy.

It is my understanding that wu wei does not involve will in one's actions. A True Man does not contemplate his actions in a given situation, they just happen naturally. To contemplate how to act is contrivance. Just like how a tree sways when wind blows through it, a True Man spontaneously acts entirely appropriate to the given situation because he is entirely natural.

("True Man" Is synonymous with the "master" which the Tao Te Ching talks about . I just like the word better )

Agreed, but this is also a very difficult concept to "master" in my opinion. Acting in anger might be right in one situation, but acting in kindness might be right in another situation, even though the two situations might be extremely similar. The only difference might be the person you are dealing with. "Anger" might be correct according to one personality, while "kindness" might be the correct action dealing with another person in exactly the same situation.

This is the definition of "wisdom" in my opinion. A very difficult concept to master, because so many variables are involved.

 

[nash8]

Hmmm even if someone acts sincerely according what he really wants; is he acting as a True Man? Or as he was programmed to act by Society since birth?

Have you ever felt bad because you acted one way to certain person, but felt good because you acted the same way to another person in exactly the same situation? This is the difference between being conditioned by society and by acting as a "true man" in my opinion.

See Tao Te Ching 38. Authoritarian social engineering is the furthest from the Tao.

High etiquette takes contrived action​

And upon encountering no response​

Uses arms to pull others​

Therefore, the Tao is lost, and then virtue​

Virtue is lost, and then benevolence​

Benevolence is lost, and then righteousness​

Righteousness is lost, and then etiquette​

Those who have etiquette​

are a thin shell of loyalty and sincerity​

And the beginning of chaos​

Those with foreknowledge​

Are the flowers of the Tao​

And the beginning of ignorance​

Therefore the great person:​

Abides in substance, and does not dwell on the thin shell​

Abides in the real, and does not dwell on the flower​

Thus they discard that and take this​

​

Wisdom, the application of knowledge.​

I guess that's getting into the nitty-gritty of it. Until one is considerably develouped, it can be easy to mistake ego-supporting compulsive mental processes for natural action. I guess its a matter of seeing clearly what's going on in your mind, thus allowing you to notice what stimuli your mind is reacting to when it thinks a certain thought or wants to perform a certain action. This clarity is what vipassana style meditation allows for.

GREAT POST!!!!

Im not sure if im being clear but, does that make sense?

EDIT: I think that, when action is truly natural, there is no mistaking it

It's all in the feeling in my opinion, but it's very hard to discern due to soceal conditioning.

You know, after mulling it over for a bit, the taijitu really doesn't belong on an altar, imo. Ritual is about manipulating causal factors, whereas wei wu wei and "pure consciousness" is freed from traceable causality--it is ineffable and spontaneous. Something to think about.

I would agree to a certain extent. I don't think it deserves a "permanent place" on an alter, as it will continue to provide you the energy until you become "overcharged" for the system you possess until you reach the point that you become unable to handle the energy it provides.

With that being said, I think it would be a great way to promote growth. You keep it on your alter until you begin to feel "overcharged", then take it off and analyze the defeciencies in your energy system until you are able to handle the energy on a regular basis, then you would be essentially "balanced" in my opinion. It's a good "tester" in my opinion.

LOL, Taoism seems so simple, however it can become so confusing for us average Westerners.

Maybe I'll just stick to Kabbalah.

The simplest things are the most difficult to understand in my opinion. And Kabbalah is just the personal manipulation of the Toa. Kabbalah developed out of the principles established in Taoism in my opinion. Kabbalah is the reason why the world seems "unbalanced" in my opinion. Kabbalah is the manipulation of the sides of the yin-yang, used wisely it can promote balance, used unwisely it can promote the greatest of unbalance.

Anyway according to what I read so far I begin to understand why Left Hand Path people don't like Taoism. Despite some Taoists look for immortality, it seems to be about surrendering to the natural order and uniting with a universal "God" so to speak (I suppose Tao includes both personality and impersonality). In a way it seems very RHP. So where does individuality stay in that? In the "Te"?

Taoism for me, is about the BHP (both hand path) dependent on which hand is better suited to deal with the situation at hand. This goes back to the concept of "the True man" mentioned earlier. So I would agree that LHP would not be inherently Taoist, but on the other hand, sometimes using the right hand is LHP, dependent upon the context of the cultural situation.

For example, being nice to a bum would not be a societal norm, and going against social norms is the essence of the LHP in my opinion, but being nice to someone who doesn't hold themselves personally responsible for their present condition would also go against modern LHP ideals, so essentially you can do RHP things, and it still be considred a LHP ideal from my perspective.

Thing is, how individual are you really? By the basic meaning of the word, it would imply something that can't be divided into more parts. If you can actually find a part of you that is individual, you're one step ahead of almost everybody else.

Indeed, it is the realization that the one part of you that can't be divided is "you". Everytime you can come to a paradox, you are one step closer to realizing your true self. Then you "focus" on dissolving that paradox, and finding the next one until you reach "The Great Tao" and you can go no further. Then it is a matter of building yourself back up based on this single/dual principle. This is where other religions/philosophies come into play in my opinion. They provide aspects of building each aspect of the Tao seperatively and/or collectivelly.

I wouldn't really classify Taoism as really left or right-handed, its just a naturalistic school of thought.

Indeed.

It's generally argued that the "immortality" that some Taoists pursue is not a literal physical immortality but instead refers to the "deathethless" state that is realized by a person who realizes they are not separate

Indeed. But even still their are some aspects of Taoism that promote that you can transmute the eternal existence, into continuing " physical reincarnations". But it still relies on the premise that you realize that "you" are not "you" in the physical sense, but that you are essentially a part of "something" that is "eternal".

As well as chapter 48

In the pursuit of learning, every day something is acquired.
In the pursuit of Tao, every day something is dropped.

Less and less is done
Until non-action is achieved.
When nothing is done, nothing is left undone.

The world is ruled by letting things take their course.
It cannot be ruled by interfering.

This is where I disagree with Taoism, and I also think it contradicts itself, dependent upon the definition of "interfering" It is in the ability to discernewhere interfering is neccesary, and where it is not which is the key to widsom. This is the two aspects of the yin-yang. Sometimes interfering is the "course", but then again is interfering letting things take their course or not?

 

[nash8]

That darned counterintuitiveness of Taoism again.

Counterintuitiveness is an understatement lol. The whole philosophy is the understanding of a paradox in my opinion.

It's simple... too simple...

Whats more complex than 1+1=2, or is it that 1+0=1, or is it that 1+1= 1? I don't even wan't to think about multiplication and division.

Maybe I am one step ahead in some things; because while I was a Vaishnava, Krishna once revealed to me the nature of the atma in a vision. He showed himself as a Krishna made of other little Krishnas, which were in turn made of other smaller Krishnas... and I could have continued forever; because what he wanted to tell me is you can't really divide the true self; the idea of an eternal person itself. In another vision Krishna also asked me to cut him in half and two copies of him formed. But it was always him.

Sounds like the theory of the holographic universe to me.
How a Holographic Universe Emerged From Fight With Stephen Hawking - Wired Science
Holographic principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, there is no universal God; only billions of eternal, indestructible individuals who will all someday exist just for loving and playing. Isn't that great?

It's both in my opinion. There is a universal God but also an infinite number of individual God's as well. If you take any part of a hologram you get an exact, albeit lower resolution image, of the whole.

But I tried to follow that Hinduism path again and again and there's always some problem; the last one was social. People in general, my parents, my workmates, most of my friends, turn into "hostile scornful mocker" mode when I'm in that path. So much so that Radha and Krishna finally transmitted to me that some people were laughing at my back and I'd better go back to Jesus at least in appearance; otherwise I'd loose everything; my things, my job, etc. I asked for protection, but then I'd have needed protection from 90% of Society!

Don't ever sacrifice your true beliefs for anyone, including family. Jesus is a physical incarnation of this belief from my perspective. So if you truly understand what Jesus taught you are essentially beleiving in "truth". Needing protection from 90% of society will just make you stronger from my perspective. This is the LHP aspect of me coming out thought.

The key for me atleast, is the intergration of "scripture" into the beliefs of "mainstream Christians". That way you are protected from them, and supported by them at th same time. Granted, a difficult balance to achieve in reality though.

Pretty much the only tolerated paths here in Argentina are atheism and Christianity.

Combine them into one belief!!!!

The other obstacle was that I was tired of expecting things from the gods instead of just depending on myself. Now I feel that Jesus (which I think it's the same Krishna really) is guiding me to becoming independent. Which has nothing to do with traditional Christianity, LOL, but I don't care about being in a formal religion anyway.

Jesus was "the morning star" after all, and he created his own religion independent of formal religion. I don't know what's more informal than that lol.

So isn't wanting to unite with Nature RHP?

Not according to the most ancient of the LHP ideals. Becoming "one with God" is the most basic of LHP ideals from ancient perspectives.

That sounds so Wiccan!

Nothing wrong with some Wiccan beliefs in my opinion.

Unite with what?

The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao​

The name that can be named is not the eternal name​

--first two lines of the Tao Te Ching

But from a "western labeling perspective" uniting is the same as being one with. So essentially, uniting could be realizing that you were never apart in the first place.

"

Wanting" won't get you to the "essence" (which is contrary to the first two lines)

Thus, constantly without desire, one observes its essence​

Constantly with desire, one observes its manifestations​

To be constantly with desire, or constantly without desire is a travesty in my opinion. You have to be constant with both, and be constant without both to be getting anywhere in my opinon. After all, if it weren't for the desire, we wouldn't be here in the first place.

--fifth and sixth lines of the Tao Te Ching

These two emerge together but differ in name​

The unity is said to be the mystery​

Mystery of mysteries, the door to all wonders​

--seventh through ninth lines of the Tao Te Ching emphasizes non-duality--not left, not right. (Although I would say that Taoism prefers the left, according to its own definition of the left.)

Indeed I would agree. There is no left or right within Taoism, only the existence of "hands" so to speak, but since this realization is not a cultural norm, the belief in this would be LHP, simply because it is not a societal norm.

By the way, this is THE BEST THREAD EVER. I have gained more introspection in this thread than almost all of my previous existence .

Sorry for the long posts as well, I've been constrained from posting at work. Social construction at it's best lol.

 

[crossfire]

As well as chapter 48

In the pursuit of learning, every day something is acquired.
In the pursuit of Tao, every day something is dropped.

Less and less is done
Until non-action is achieved.
When nothing is done, nothing is left undone.

The world is ruled by letting things take their course.
It cannot be ruled by interfering.

This is where I disagree with Taoism, and I also think it contradicts itself, dependent upon the definition of "interfering" It is in the ability to discernewhere interfering is neccesary, and where it is not which is the key to widsom. This is the two aspects of the yin-yang. Sometimes interfering is the "course", but then again is interfering letting things take their course or not?

The "interference" that you lose is the culturally enforced bias, so you can have ming, or clarity. "High etiquette" is authoritarian cultural conditioning. This is what you work to lose through the Taoist lhp of contemplation. See the part highlighted in blue below:

See Tao Te Ching 38. Authoritarian social engineering is the furthest from the Tao.

High etiquette takes contrived action
And upon encountering no response
Uses arms to pull others

Therefore, the Tao is lost, and then virtue
Virtue is lost, and then benevolence
Benevolence is lost, and then righteousness
Righteousness is lost, and then etiquette
Those who have etiquette
are a thin shell of loyalty and sincerity
And the beginning of chaos
Those with foreknowledge
Are the flowers of the Tao
And the beginning of ignorance
Therefore the great person:
Abides in substance, and does not dwell on the thin shell
Abides in the real, and does not dwell on the flower
Thus they discard that and take this​

You discard the cultural biases (the thin shell of insincerity) and take on clear vision, without biases (the substance.)

 

[crossfire]

On three occasions I've made the experiment of putting a Taijitu symbol on my shrine. At the beginning it gave me a good, intense energy; especially for healing myself and for sleeping. e.g. at night I repeated the affirmation "my chi circulates perfectly" and that made me sleep (I don't know why). My idea was generally, to use it to pass from one pole to another. e.g. if I was cold, I passed to heat (yang) and I felt better, etc.

But after a few days I couldn't keep it there because I eventually couldn't stand the energy. So much so that I couldn't sleep, so I removed it at night. But that wasn't enough. I once dreamt I was burning alive and I started to feel that way (although in a much milder way than in dreams) while I was awake. I was nervous; "accelerated" and my skin felt like it was receiving infrared rays or something; it was burning and uncomfortable. The more I remembered and concentrated on the symbol on my shrine and the worse it got.

No other symbol had such powerful effect on me so far. Who knows why? Maybe I was misinterpreting it like the (+) (-) poles of a battery and I was overcharging myself with chi? Did I have a conflict between light and darkness which I didn't know how to harmonize?

It would be interesting for me to be able to use the Taijitu in a good way because my intention is one day to be able to evolve spiritually without the help of any deities (at most, archetypes); I think it would be a wonderful tool. If you have any tips, links, books, etc. on how to use it I'd appreciate it. Thank you.

Would you like a Taoist altar setup? I'm sure I can dig it out of my mind if you'd like it. It might be more comfortable for you than the actual taijitu.

 

[agorman]

nash8, I enjoyed your posts very much. crossfire, yes I'd love to know which taoist altar/shrine setup are you thinking about.

So the "white man" emitted the light and the "black woman" directed the light were it needed to go?

Yes. The white man barely moved.

Yeah, I was about to say that chick is hot lol.

Now that I remember she looked attractive, but at the time I was not horny but surprised of watching a black being doing good to me for the first time.

I have a natural attraction to the spirit of the panther myself.

Oh but that image is just similar to what I saw. No cat face and no tail.

Nothing wrong with some Wiccan beliefs in my opinion.

Yes, nothing wrong; it just called my attention that Lao Tzu would talk of a "Universal Mother" although I doubt he was talking about a Universal Goddess.

Needing protection from 90% of society will just make you stronger

Stronger but lonelier. That's also the main problem I have to get by without deities. Us geminis seem to have difficulties to remain alone for a long time.

The last time I tried to progress without deities I started to feel as if everyone in the World had died. Maybe I became a "godaholic"

Anyway going through your posts, I realize the worse obstacle I have is the small amount of divine energy I can bear. Maybe the solution would be some sort of alchemy or mass? Otherwise I come to reach my "voltage limit" and have to "unplug". So my dream of throwing lightning to politicians is frustrated

I've heard secret societies have a series of initiations before every grade that allow the member to increase his or her capacity to take divine energy. But I'd prefer not to enter those cults.

(about the Taijitu)it would be a great way to promote growth. You keep it on your alter until you begin to feel "overcharged", then take it off and analyze the defeciencies in your energy system until you are able to handle the energy on a regular basis.

Good idea. The other alternative would be using it just for specific purposes. Because now everything I put on my shrine is like putting it in my subconscious mind!

Kabbalah is the manipulation of the sides of the yin-yang, used wisely it can promote balance, used unwisely it can promote the greatest of unbalance.

I suppose that's why many people mostly work with the Middle Pillar.

 

[crossfire]

crossfire, yes I'd love to know which taoist altar/shrine setup are you thinking about.

Be aware that I'm not ritually inclined in the least bit. Here is the information I have for a Taoist altar setup:

Picture of Deity

Lantern
(Light of Wisdom)

Tall Sun Candle...................Tall Moon Candle

Water......uncooked rice.......Tea

black fruit......white fruit......yellow fruit......red fruit......green fruit


incense burner
holding 3 sticks incense​

The Sun and moon candles signify the eyes, the windows to the soul.

Water is yang, tea is yin, rice is the result of the interplay between yin and yang.

The five plates of different colored fruits represent the five Taoist elements;
black=water, white=metal, yellow=earth, red=fire, green=wood.

The incense burner is the lower "stove" center in the body where the three energies, jing, chi, and shen, are purified. (signified by the three sticks of incense.)

 

[agorman]

The Sun and moon candles signify the eyes, the windows to the soul.

Speaking about eyes; does someone know why does Hollywood put the Eye of Providence in almost every movie?

Water is yang, tea is yin

I thought water was ying and fire was yang.

rice is the result of the interplay between yin and yang.

Great, exactly what I was looking for. I once bought a silver candle to symbolize the mixture and balance of yin and yang, but I think your idea is better.

The five plates of different colored fruits represent the five Taoist elements;
black=water, white=metal, yellow=earth, red=fire, green=wood.

Good to know. I was considering once to put obvious things to represent the elements; like a piece of wood, a piece of metal etc.

The incense burner is the lower "stove" center in the body where the three energies, jing, chi, and shen, are purified. (signified by the three sticks of incense.)

Thank you crossfire; I appreciate you gave me the traditional objects and meanings which is something to get started with.

If I build a Taoist shrine I'll upload a photo.

 

[DreadFish]

Speaking about eyes; does someone know why does Hollywood put the Eye of Providence in almost every movie?

It's dangerous to question these things. I dont know what you're talking about.

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I have to go now >_>

 

[agorman]

It's dangerous to question these things. I dont know what you're talking about.

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I have to go now >_>

LOL, I thought maybe the reason is, they want people to find out about spiritual/religious subjects to wake up a little. Or maybe it's just to thank Horus for something.

 

[crossfire]

I thought water was ying and fire was yang.

In the context of the elements, water is old yin and fire is old yang. In the context of bagua (trigrams-ways of change,) Kan (middle son-water) is young yang and Li (middle daughter-fire) is young yin.

Great, exactly what I was looking for. I once bought a silver candle to symbolize the mixture and balance of yin and yang, but I think your idea is better.

The sun candle is usually gold, and the moon candle is usually silver.

 

[DreadFish]

LOL, I thought maybe the reason is, they want people to find out about spiritual/religious subjects to wake up a little. Or maybe it's just to thank Horus for something.

I was thinking you were referring to the Masons

 

[agorman]

I was thinking you were referring to the Masons

Yes, probably the Masons or the US branch of the Illuminati. The Church made them a bad fame, but after all, George Washington was a Mason and all South American independence heroes too (San Martín, Bolívar, Belgrano, etc). It all depends on how they used the knowledge they gained in those secret societies.

 

[agorman]

In the context of the elements, water is old yin and fire is old yang. In the context of bagua (trigrams-ways of change,) Kan (middle son-water) is young yang and Li (middle daughter-fire) is young yin.




The sun candle is usually gold, and the moon candle is usually silver.

Please recommend me a book to go deeper into this subject of what is yin, what is yang, etc.

 

[crossfire]

Please recommend me a book to go deeper into this subject of what is yin, what is yang, etc.

I don't know of any to recommend. Sorry.

 

[DreadFish]

Yes, probably the Masons or the US branch of the Illuminati. The Church made them a bad fame, but after all, George Washington was a Mason and all South American independence heroes too (San Martín, Bolívar, Belgrano, etc). It all depends on how they used the knowledge they gained in those secret societies.

Meh, im pretty sure the Mason are just a regular old secret society/fraternity, nothing more. Also, apparently, the use of the eye in American stuff predates the use in Masonic stuff.

EDIT: Same with Illuminati. There are a couple different groups that use the name. The original was an Enlightenment era fraternity that opposed "superstition, prejudice, religious influence over public life, abuses of state power, and to support women's education and gender equality", according to wiki.