norse cosmology

[Gjallarhorn]

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3455762-post8.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3455775-post9.html

And by all means claim proof. Then we can continue this elsewhere.

 

[Riverwolf]

all of which REQUIRE reading between the lines unless you are a literalist which is the worst way to understand mythology.

All we're doing is establishing what the Northern European tribes believed. Reading between the lines will cause us to mix our own beliefs with theirs, muddying the waters.

All we've got are small attestations here and there. It's still up in the air, for example, whether Freyja stemmed from the same Goddess as Frigga.

When it comes to any potential realities that the various world mythologies may have been referring to, we simply don't have enough information to make any generalizations. It's really anyone's guess.

 

[Riverwolf]

I take it you are an atheist

I'm not.

But I don't try to mix my beliefs with those of my ancestors. I keep them separate.

 

[Whiterain]

I was just thinking about this the other day, I'm slow. Boreas could be related to the Bor of Norse Myth.

If you want to go on about the Gods the focus should move to Baldr.
Baldr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's starting to look like the Olympians and AEsir are different parties. Then there is the investigation in trying to decide if Ragnarok happened.

MrOmega, wiki's really aren't reliable, if you use them often cross reference with other sources often.

 

[granpa]

I've been equating the Olympians (sons of Venus) with the vanir all along

the aesir are many eyed
the vanir are many breasted
the ice giants are many handed

 

[granpa]

buri and borr both have names that presumably mean bear.
bears have strong hands

 

[Riverwolf]

I was just thinking about this the other day, I'm slow. Boreas could be related to the Bor of Norse Myth.

HIGHLY unlikely.

 

[granpa]

hyperborea

hyper-bear land

hmm

 

[Riverwolf]

I've been equating the Olympians (sons of Venus) with the vanir all along

the aesir are many eyed
the vanir are many breasted
the ice giants are many handed

buri and borr both have names that presumably mean bear.
bears have strong hands

On what scholarship do you base these conclusions?

Are you aware that the Vanir are not attested outside Scandinavia?

 

[granpa]

if you have a specific question I will be glad to answer you as best I can

 

[Riverwolf]

if you have a specific question I will be glad to answer you as best I can

You have two. Can you answer both of them?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

buri and borr both have names that presumably mean bear.
bears have strong hands

hyperborea

hyper-bear land

hmm

Bear: Old English bera "bear," from Proto-Germanic *beron, literally "the brown (one)" (cf. Old Norse björn, Middle Dutch bere, Dutch beer, Old High German bero, German Bär), from PIE *bher- (3) "bright, brown"
Online Etymology Dictionary
(Note: only the second etymology applies to this word, while the first applies to Borr and Buri)

Borr/Buri: Thorpe interprets the names Buri and Bör to signify "the producing" or "the bringer forth" and "the produced" or "the brought forth" respectively, linking both to Sanskrit bâras, Gothic baurs, Latin por, puer. Cf. Thorpe (1851:4; 141-2).
Borr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Boreas (for the sake of etymology, I have used "boreal"): "northern," late 15c., from Latin borealis, from boreas "north wind," from Greek Boreas, name of the god of the north wind, of unknown origin, perhaps related to words in Balto-Slavic for "mountain" and "forest."
Online Etymology Dictionary

Try again.

 

[granpa]

most Russian and Canadian rivers flow north into the arctic sea.
during the ice age those lands that weren't covered in ice were largely covered in glacial lakes.
sounds like the flooding of niflheim to me.

this could also relate to the story of atlantis too.

 

[Riverwolf]

Borr/Buri: Thorpe interprets the names Buri and Bör to signify "the producing" or "the bringer forth" and "the produced" or "the brought forth" respectively, linking both to Sanskrit bâras, Gothic baurs, Latin por, puer. Cf. Thorpe (1851:4; 141-2).
Borr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'll make a shot in the dark an say that it sounds like Borr is etymologically related to the English word "pour" as in "pour a glass of water."

 

[Riverwolf]

most Russian and Canadian rivers flow north into the arctic sea.
during the ice age those lands that weren't covered in ice were largely covered in glacial lakes.
sounds like the flooding of niflheim to me.

this could also relate to the story of atlantis too.

HIGHLY unlikely that any of our surviving stories recount events from THAT long ago.

Still haven't answered my questions on what your scholarly sources are.

 

[granpa]

ice age ended 10000 years ago

according to solon atlantis existed 9600 bc

and according to solon all other cultures had indeed forgotten and only Egypt was able to remember that far back

 

[Riverwolf]

ice age ended 10000 years ago

according to solon atlantis existed 9600 bc

and according to solon all other cultures had indeed forgotten and only Egypt was able to remember that far back

No, it wasn't according to Solon.

It was according to Plato, Socrates said according to Solon. It's already tertiary source, removing the likelyhood of accuracy.

How do we know Solon even existed?

Furthermore, so far as we can tell, Egypt wasn't even defined that far back. Sure, the region did have human habitation, but it's unlikely they left any records, and they weren't Egypt as we understand them.

 

[Whiterain]

National geographic is taking care of it,

[youtube]_KWLrUcHfRA[/youtube]
Finding Atlantis: National Geographic Documentary (720p) - YouTube

 

[granpa]

I'll make a shot in the dark an say that it sounds like Borr is etymologically related to the English word "pour" as in "pour a glass of water."

The mythologies were created to educate the uneducated.
The idea that you have to be a Harvard educated scholar to understand the myths is BS.
They were deliberately designed to be understandable.

 

[granpa]

Bear: Old English bera "bear," from Proto-Germanic *beron, literally "the brown (one)" (cf. Old Norse björn, Middle Dutch bere, Dutch beer, Old High German bero, German Bär), from PIE *bher- (3) "bright, brown"
Online Etymology Dictionary
(Note: only the second etymology applies to this word, while the first applies to Borr and Buri)

Borr/Buri: Thorpe interprets the names Buri and Bör to signify "the producing" or "the bringer forth" and "the produced" or "the brought forth" respectively, linking both to Sanskrit bâras, Gothic baurs, Latin por, puer. Cf. Thorpe (1851:4; 141-2).
Borr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Boreas (for the sake of etymology, I have used "boreal"): "northern," late 15c., from Latin borealis, from boreas "north wind," from Greek Boreas, name of the god of the north wind, of unknown origin, perhaps related to words in Balto-Slavic for "mountain" and "forest."
Online Etymology Dictionary

Try again.

Yes that is correct.
To "bear" a burden

bears are bearers.