Do Humans Offend God?

[Warren Clark]

Of course we offend God. Why do think children are born with Cerebral Palsy?
Why do people have Cancer and AIDS? Because God is offended.

 

[Breathe]

But as one of the Dominate Creations, should we not be able to relate on some level; IMO after all is that not why most Religions exist?

Yes and no, I think. Although I don't think we're one of the "dominate creations". We're still very reliant on the world, and as a non-space-faring race, we have little input in the galaxy, let alone the universe or universes (should there be more than one).

My own belief is that it's because humans want to know the Absolute and relate to It a way they can understand, so they use their own history, language, culture, myth, etc to build upon it to make it understandable for their society.

Though I don't think this has much to do with God being moody with us; again, I don't think it's fair to make out like we can be perfect; we're finite beings, after all, so no matter how close to godlike can be, we're going to have our imperfect moments.

My view, anyway.

 

[PolyHedral]

Of course we offend God. Why do think children are born with Cerebral Palsy?
Why do people have Cancer and AIDS? Because God is offended.

Dude, you actually went there? You're claiming that disability is a punishment from God? Seriously?

I can't even articulate how wrong that is.

 

[horizon_mj1]

Of course we offend God. Why do think children are born with Cerebral Palsy?
Why do people have Cancer and AIDS? Because God is offended.

We always want someone to blame for our problems, to for most God is the easiest to blame; but IMO it is Humanity. We make our lives what they are and everything we do not only impacts us, but others as well. The resources we have when placed in non-essential patterns disallow us to find cures for all the many diseases we are guilty of creating. Kind of an irony is it not?

 

[horizon_mj1]

Yes and no, I think. Although I don't think we're one of the "dominate creations". We're still very reliant on the world, and as a non-space-faring race, we have little input in the galaxy, let alone the universe or universes (should there be more than one).

My own belief is that it's because humans want to know the Absolute and relate to It a way they can understand, so they use their own history, language, culture, myth, etc to build upon it to make it understandable for their society.

Though I don't think this has much to do with God being moody with us; again, I don't think it's fair to make out like we can be perfect; we're finite beings, after all, so no matter how close to godlike can be, we're going to have our imperfect moments.

My view, anyway.

Good post Odion, and I agree for the most part that we are not so much Dominate as Sub-dominate (especially when you factor in all of Elements we depend on to survive). Granted we are finite beings (in part anyway) but being so wouldn't life be so much better if everyone searched for Perfection?

 

[Warren Clark]

Dude, you actually went there? You're claiming that disability is a punishment from God? Seriously?

I can't even articulate how wrong that is.

We always want someone to blame for our problems, to for most God is the easiest to blame; but IMO it is Humanity. We make our lives what they are and everything we do not only impacts us, but others as well. The resources we have when placed in non-essential patterns disallow us to find cures for all the many diseases we are guilty of creating. Kind of an irony is it not?

It was a joke in bad taste, I admit.

I don't think there is anything to blame.
**** happens. Grow a thick skin and get over it. Its part of evolving into a better person.

We will evolve and viruses and diseases will evolve with us.
That is why the flu shot is updated each year.

 

[horizon_mj1]

Well, you aren't going to do it any other way.

Not necessarily, there is such things as inappropriate "reactions".

 

[horizon_mj1]

It was a joke in bad taste, I admit.

I don't think there is anything to blame.
**** happens. Grow a thick skin and get over it. Its part of evolving into a better person.

If nothing else there is cause and reaction to blame

 

[Warren Clark]

If nothing else there is cause and reaction to blame

evolution is a reaction to evolution of other species and environmental changes.
We have no doubt changed our environment.
And species have been evolving.
Our immune system is more stable now than it was 1000 years ago, with help of medical science.
Our bodies adapt to what we ingest, and when we breed those adaptations are passed on and manipulated in genetics.

there is always a cause and reaction. none of which has anything to do with God.

 

[PolyHedral]

Not necessarily, there is such things as inappropriate "reactions".

Yes, but if you reacted that way, then you weren't going to react any other.

 

[1137]

Really? So IYO God doesn't have feelings? Something does not sound right about that to me.

Well IMO God does not exist. However, if he did I think anthropomorphising him and assigning him human emotions is a waste of time.

 

[horizon_mj1]

evolution is a reaction to evolution of other species and environmental changes.
We have no doubt changed our environment.
And species have been evolving.
Our immune system is more stable now than it was 1000 years ago, with help of medical science.
Our bodies adapt to what we ingest, and when we breed those adaptations are passed on and manipulated in genetics.

there is always a cause and reaction. none of which has anything to do with God.

I guess that would all depend on who you ask; a Scientist may claim Science is God.

 

[horizon_mj1]

Well IMO God does not exist. However, if he did I think anthropomorphising him and assigning him human emotions is a waste of time.

Well IMO I kindly disagree. If there would be any relevance between God and Humans (if in fact God does exist) it would be feelings (at least before it would be anything else). IMO it is feelings that a likeness is explained when some say "we were created in His image".

 

[1137]

Well IMO I kindly disagree. If there would be any relevance between God and Humans (if in fact God does exist) it would be feelings (at least before it would be anything else). IMO it is feelings that a likeness is explained when some say "we were created in His image".

I don't see how God could possibly relate to humanity at all. But, it seems unlikely that said deity would be bound to human perceptions of right and wrong. God is all, creator of light and darkness. Even the most horrid crime (relative to average human moral values) cannot separate you from God.

 

[Me Myself]

In fact, he knows what you'll do before you even do it, so what you do comes as no surprise to him. It's that omniscience thing.

Pretty much it.

If he was to be offended, he got over it long ago before we actually do the thing.

 

[Me Myself]

Well IMO I kindly disagree. If there would be any relevance between God and Humans (if in fact God does exist) it would be feelings (at least before it would be anything else). IMO it is feelings that a likeness is explained when some say "we were created in His image".

But human beings get over their bad feelings, and human beings dont like feeling offended. (well, some clearly do )

So, if God knew what we were going to do before we did it and reacted as feeling offended, he could have used his omnipotence to not feel offended anymore about it (in other words, to get over it).

Let´s remember we are commanded to forgive. Our likeness with him comes from our capacity to forgive, not our capacity to feel offended.

 

[BSM1]

I don't see how God could possibly relate to humanity at all. But, it seems unlikely that said deity would be bound to human perceptions of right and wrong. God is all, creator of light and darkness. Even the most horrid crime (relative to average human moral values) cannot separate you from God.

Agreed. People seem to make the mistake of separating God from everything else. Everything is created by God (Isa.45:7) and nothing can be created that is not God. This includes not only material things but but more non-substance item such as thoughts and emotions. We can only pick and choose what items we wish to use. God does not "feel" emotions, God is emotions. But by my own argument God is the experience of the emotion also.

 

[horizon_mj1]

I don't see how God could possibly relate to humanity at all. But, it seems unlikely that said deity would be bound to human perceptions of right and wrong. God is all, creator of light and darkness. Even the most horrid crime (relative to average human moral values) cannot separate you from God.

Why should any Deity have to be "bound" to any "perception" of right or wrong; beyond that, God who Created all perception can not be bound to that, and as far as right and wrong, I suppose He should be held responsible for His Creations "creating" things that may be right or wrong? The most horrid crime was not His, but a creation of what He created. I do not think there is a separation from anything (less alone God); I believe in the Circle of Existence more than I do the Circle of Life.

 

[horizon_mj1]

But human beings get over their bad feelings, and human beings don't like feeling offended. (well, some clearly do )[/quote}Obviously!

So, if God knew what we were going to do before we did it and reacted as feeling offended, he could have used his omnipotence to not feel offended anymore about it (in other words, to get over it).

What a childish point of view, the God I am referring to is much more intricate than the one in which you speak.

Let´s remember we are commanded to forgive. Our likeness with him comes from our capacity to forgive, not our capacity to feel offended.

I am not trying to speak of the relevance of forgiveness for being offended. I am asking rather or not if there is relevancy to feel offended Anyone can forgive.

 

[1137]

Why should any Deity have to be "bound" to any "perception" of right or wrong; beyond that, God who Created all perception can not be bound to that, and as far as right and wrong, I suppose He should be held responsible for His Creations "creating" things that may be right or wrong? The most horrid crime was not His, but a creation of what He created. I do not think there is a separation from anything (less alone God); I believe in the Circle of Existence more than I do the Circle of Life.

Then your answer to your own question seems to be "no, we cannot offend God", unless I misinterpret.