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[Connie Sue]

A debate about the authenticity of the Bible with a person who use the Bible to prove the Bible, is like talking to a brick wall.

Can you prove the bible is not the word of God?

 

[waitasec]

Can you prove the bible is not the word of God?

i can. it is not understood in an objective empirical manner.

easy.

 

[waitasec]

Sounds like Catholic belief!

The gospel of Christ was written my chosen men and other helps, but these that you name are not one of them. The bible was first written to the Jews and then to the Gentiles.

what makes you think they were not,
because you didn't know about them?

actually the argument that the bible was written by man for man has been established by the evidence that there is no objective understanding of the "word of god"

funny how the holy spirit is credited for penning the word of god through men but then goes missing when it's time to interpret it...was god a monoglot or something? apparently so.

 

[waitasec]

I just did!
You don't believe it because you don't seek to believe it.

how can you say that?

assume much?

 

[camanintx]

The only version of the bible I have read for years is KJV, I stay away from the newer versions, because they seem to contradict! I haven't seen a copy of the others that were before the second KJV, except the Geneva Bible. I have read about the other versions, but the only one I have viewed is the Geneva Bible from the Library. Have you read or seen any of the other versions before the second KJV or the Geneva Bible? I have a comparative Study Bible with: NIV, NAS; Amplified, and the KJV. KJV to me is more reliable! Which do you think is more reliable?

I don't consider any of them particularly reliable. That you find the newer versions contradictory should tell you something about them all. They're all available online at sites like biblegateway.com so you can compare all you want. The question is, what makes one more "inspired" than another?

 

[camanintx]

Can you prove the bible is not the word of God?

Genesis 1:9-13 says seeded plants were created on the third day while Genesis 1:20-23 says animals were created on the fifth day, but the fossil record shows that animals existed long before seeded plants. How do you explain this?

 

[Nakosis]

Can you prove the bible is not the word of God?

Which part of it? The letters of Paul are the letters of Paul. Paul is not God. Paul did not claim to be speaking for God. For me the proof seems sufficient...

Palms, was assumed many of them to be written by David, maybe not him but certainly no ones claiming God authored them except some Christians who really have no authority over them.

Ok so, Aesop spoke for God. He has some pretty good fables. Can you prove Aesop's fables are not the Word of God?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Genesis 1:9-13 says seeded plants were created on the third day while Genesis 1:20-23 says animals were created on the fifth day, but the fossil record shows that animals existed long before seeded plants. How do you explain this?

Huh? What did animals eat if they were around before seeds/plant life ?

If there was no plant life where did the 'air for animals to breathe' come from ?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Exactly which version of the Bible is the "word of God"? Last time I checked, there were over 30 different versions in English alone, and that's not even the original language it was written in.

Translations are more accurate than paraphrased versions.

All translations can be compared with the Hebrew and the Greek.
The ancient manuscripts do support Bible canon.
So, any KJV archaic words can be researched and properly updated.

Some newer translations change some KJV wording just to promote their own agenda. Again checking established canon can expose any wrong they are trying to do.

 

[Falvlun]

I just did!
You don't believe it because you don't seek to believe it.

Where? I saw you take a quote from a book to prove that that book is true.

The Lord of the Rings states that the author, JRR Tolkien, translated it from the Red Book of Westmarch, which was written by the hobbits to describe the events that took place during the war of the Ring.

Should I believe what this book says about itself? Why or why not? If not, why should the Bible be an exception to this general rule?

 

[camanintx]

Huh? What did animals eat if they were around before seeds/plant life ?

If there was no plant life where did the 'air for animals to breathe' come from ?

Before there were seeds, there were sponges, algae and molds that animals could eat. These also produced the oxygen which allowed animals to move onto land. But there is no evidence that the seeds or fruit specifically mentioned in Genesis 1:11 existed until long after the first animals.

 

[Oryonder]

I don't join a religion!

What are you saying is a contradiction in the bible?

Paul is an apostle born out of due time, meaning he was not one of the chosen twelve to teach to the Remnant of Israel. Lets take one subject at a time. Which of these do you want to talk about first?

LOL The Bible is a contradiction .. this is true.

Paul never met Jesus and certainly James did not think much of Paul.

Pauls views contradicted those of the Jerusalem Church. Either James was right or Paul was right .. you cant have it both ways.

I put my money on the Brother of Jesus.

 

[Connie Sue]

LOL The Bible is a contradiction .. this is true.

Paul never met Jesus and certainly James did not think much of Paul.

Pauls views contradicted those of the Jerusalem Church. Either James was right or Paul was right .. you cant have it both ways.

I put my money on the Brother of Jesus.

You don't know the bible do you? 1Cor. 15.

 

[Connie Sue]

Before there were seeds, there were sponges, algae and molds that animals could eat. These also produced the oxygen which allowed animals to move onto land. But there is no evidence that the seeds or fruit specifically mentioned in Genesis 1:11 existed until long after the first animals.

Genesis 29:30

 

[Connie Sue]

i can. it is not understood in an objective empirical manner.

easy.

Let me see you give it a try!!:shout

 

[kjw47]

there r many religion in the world, but surly there r only one right religion, but how could we reach the right believe, the right path?

I believe this is truth found in Gods written word----- Jesus came and started one single religion,God never used more than one single religion,because there is no need for more than one single religion, afterall there is only one truth.
This religion would be united in love and peace worldwide.

 

[Connie Sue]

what makes you think they were not,
because you didn't know about them?

actually the argument that the bible was written by man for man has been established by the evidence that there is no objective understanding of the "word of god"

funny how the holy spirit is credited for penning the word of god through men but then goes missing when it's time to interpret it...was god a monoglot or something? apparently so.

No understanding: If you don't believe it you won't open and study it.

Yep, it is funny when the Holy Spirit gave gifts to men and the last scripture was finished, people won't believe it is the perfect (complete) will of God, because some look to science for answers and some still looking for God to make a way. :sad:

 

[Connie Sue]

how can you say that?

assume much?

Lets examine the evidence a little most of you believe in scientific views or History of men.....We have the true word of God that people can not contradict, yet some of you say there are contradictions. How do you know if you don't study and talk about them?

 

[Connie Sue]

The Word of God means different things.

Firstly the Word, the Logos, the tetragrammaton . This is the Word of creation. The blueprint of the universe from beginning to end. This was the first creation of God the only begotten Son of God through which all things came into existence.

Then there are the words of God as in prophecy. Prophets to whom God gave divine revelation to. While God may have given revelations to they were still human, imperfect and subject to errors. These revelations come in the form of dreams and visions. Parts of the Bible are given as revelations. other parts are not. Some of the Bible is songs, history, civic laws, advise/wisdom. It should be kind of obvious where it's implied as something coming directly from God. However Christianity developed this idea of accepting the whole of the Bible as God's word. There is simply no good reason for doing so except that it became taught as doctrine.




Right these people saw it first hand so they didn't have to rely on the claims of others but could rely on things they experienced for themselves.

So does God speak to you? What gifts have you been given?

The Pentecostal at least presume the gift of tongues. God speaks to them through and they have interpreters. Not that I find speaking in tongues particular convincing but at least they have something they think validates their belief.

However if God speaks to you this is also the word of God. Personal revelation.

No! I don't have a gift. Gifts were given so there would be no error in the written word of God. When the perfect will of God was finished there were no need for miracles and gifts. Paul said, these part works would cease! Since man has the will of God, common sense says those gifts have ceased, Right?

 

[Connie Sue]

I don't consider any of them particularly reliable. That you find the newer versions contradictory should tell you something about them all. They're all available online at sites like biblegateway.com so you can compare all you want. The question is, what makes one more "inspired" than another?

So you have read the canon bible on line....???
Try contradicting the older KJV!