Do I have a right to die?

[Storm]

Very simple what the ethical ramifications regarding Euthenasia? Although in hospitals patients have many rights, they don't have a right to die. However what about suffering should we consider this practice if a patient is in tremendous amount of agony even if they consent to it? What are some of your thoughts?

I believe in mercy killings.

 

[Storm]

Suffering can be (and usually is) a punishment and cleansing from sin. I assure you it is better to suffer in this material world than in the next.

Seriously? I didn't realize there were fire & brimstone Jews.

 

[blackout]

You SHOULD have a right to die.

It seems so obvious... but...

 

[jelly]

it is your obligation to die but not your right...?

 

[Storm]

it is your obligation to die but not your right...?

Why not?

 

[jelly]

I don't see people going are committing suicide that often I guess.

 

[Revoltingest]

Vendetta, you seem a rational sort, & one who can do what needs to be done.
Wanna join the shovel club?

 

[Penumbra]

I think people who have a condition that causes a lot of suffering with no known cure should have the right to die if they choose to.

I'm not going to tell an incurably ill person who is suffering with no end in sight that they are not allowed to die if they really want to do so.

 

[Vendetta]

But what is problematic here is doctors who swear to preserve life cannot be the reason someone is annihilated. This alone contradicts the oath many residents take upon completion of their residency

 

[McBell]

Yes, the Hippocratic Oath is long over due for a revision.

 

[JustWondering2]

What if a person is suffering in a different way? Not physical pain, but mental or emotional pain, loss, helplessness and see no way out of their suffering even after years of counsoling and medication. Someone that has lifed a long life, children grown and independant, no ties. Shouldn't they also have the right to end thier suffering on and for all?
Just Wondering?

 

[jelly]

nope, they should live jaded just like the rest of us.

 

[JustWondering2]

nope, they should live jaded just like the rest of us.

Walk a mile in my shoes and you might change your mind!!??
:yes:

 

[xkatz]

Very simple what the ethical ramifications regarding Euthenasia? Although in hospitals patients have many rights, they don't have a right to die. However what about suffering should we consider this practice if a patient is in tremendous amount of agony even if they consent to it? What are some of your thoughts?

People have free-will (IMO) and therefore (should) have the right and power to choose if they wish to die or not.

 

[Mathematician]

I'm not sure how I feel about this subject. I take the uncomfortable position that someone suffering from a terminal, physical condition has the right to assent to death if they're in sound mind, but that we should step in if someone is say suicidal and wants to end his or her own life. I don't believe in this poppy-*seed* philosophy that personal choice dictates whether an action is acceptable or not. If my friend is about to shoot himself in the face and I step in to stop him, such a philosophy judges me to be the wrongdoer.

 

[Brendan ben David]

How about this scenario? Take someone who hits someone with a baseball bat, rapes a child, enjoys torturing animals/humans, kills at random. How does this compute with the sufferer being the sinner and the attacker who has sinned not suffering? Or maybe you have another definition of a sinner?

A sinner is whom makes mistakes (ie. not following God's laws). Everything is reward and punishment, on the receiving end. Trials and tribulations are that which should be welcomed because they move us back to the correct path and cleanse our souls of blemishes.

If God runs the show, how could anyone receive any suffering they don't deserve? Surely, God is just?

Interesting theory.
How does it work for those who do not sin?

To sin is to make a mistake ("chet" in Hebrew, "to miss the mark"); who of us does not make mistakes daily?

It's kinda cute how the abrahamic religions incorporate sadomasochistic fetishism into their faith. It's also an irrelevant notion to those who aren't of those faiths and should have no baring over their own rights and choices.

You must first learn about reward and punishment before you pass such judgement. Justice is not sadomasochism.

So someone in terrible agony wants a merciful death and you say its better to suffer now,you'll thank me for it later,nothing like a loving religion is there.

This world is the lowest of all the worlds. In the world after death, if you face gehinnom, the pain of cleansing the soul of sin is much greater. It is better to suffer in this world than in the next, even if both pain (here and there) are temporary.

Seriously? I didn't realize there were fire & brimstone Jews.

Reward and punishment is not new.

 

[Father Heathen]

You must first learn about reward and punishment before you pass such judgement. Justice is not sadomasochism.

Reward and punishment is not new.

Punishment is supposed to serve as both a deterrent and a lesson, so don't you think it defeats the purpose if people have no idea what "crime" they're guilty of and being punished for? The notion to me seems to be grounded in some sort of of perverse gratification and desire, i.e. sadomasochism.

Does god wear a leather gimp mask?

 

[Vendetta]

What if a person is suffering in a different way? Not physical pain, but mental or emotional pain, loss, helplessness and see no way out of their suffering even after years of counsoling and medication. Someone that has lifed a long life, children grown and independant, no ties. Shouldn't they also have the right to end thier suffering on and for all?
Just Wondering?

In psychology we call this suicidal ideation.

 

[Brendan ben David]

Father Heathen, as God is just, He punishes justly. That is, we are punished for our misdeeds in which through our free will we had a moral choice over. Simply because we aren't directly told which misdeed caused our tribulation does not make it masochistic. Commit a bad deed, and you will be punished - that's all you need to know.

If we were immediately rewarded for each good deed and immediately punished for each misdeed, one can see how this would eliminate our free will.

 

[Vendetta]

Father Heathen, as God is just, He punishes justly. That is, we are punished for our misdeeds in which through our free will we had a moral choice over. Simply because we aren't directly told which misdeed caused our tribulation does not make it masochistic. Commit a bad deed, and you will be punished - that's all you need to know.

If we were immediately rewarded for each good deed and immediately punished for each misdeed, one can see how this would eliminate our free will.

Hmm so someone puking bile and suffers horribly until they die is God's way of cleasing them? Do we have evidence of such justice and mercy?