And if Obama is a socialist, then Bush is a fascist. Calling Obama a socialist uses too high a standard - an absolute one - that a limited market is not a capitalist one. Republicans worship the free market and think that it will take care of everything, when in actuality it will reserve all of the good things in life for the wealthy and leave crumbs for everyone else. And there aren't that many wealthy people.
Calling capitalism Bush's idealism or Bush's idealism American idealism is simply ignorant and dishonest (you're not doing that).
As for Obama being a failure, it's the people failing him and not the other way around. They are failing him with their short memories of Republican destruction of the economy and our ability to make war. They forget Gitmo, Iraq (how could they??), pre-emptive war and the awesome falling of America as an economic, military, and diplomatic superpower under his leadership. Heck, the man can't go into other countries now for fear of being arrested for war crimes. And that's not some backwater country - he is unwelcome in France and Germany among others. Is this a good leader?
On the other hand, Obama made significant progress on everything that he promised to do. Healthcare reform and getting the troops out of Iraq took most of the spotlight, but every other aspect of his agenda has had some form of legislation established.
There have been many uninformed responses recorded on the REF but the above seems to rank at the very top. It is not only insulting to Americans in general but it is a disgrace to those who claim to be liberals and still remain true to American values. This post has no patriotic sympathies or shows no concern for the future of our great country.
The first thing AE says is that he agrees: "I agree that democratic and capitalist societies are the best" but before his admission takes root,AE's burning hate for Bush clouds his testimony; " but I don't think that Bush was a proponent of either" comes out his mouth. For eight years in running GWB was a lone voice in saying that government should be governed by American idealistic principles. Bush committed the great sin of defeating the liberal and radical wing of the Democratic party. Liberal democrats vowed to hound, criticize, and oppose every move of the Bush administration. This is a pledge that they have faithfully kept. Jessie Jackson was a major spokesman of the lieral's holier than thou attitude, but his mouth was closed when the nation discovered the truth of his moral character with his betrayal of his wife and children by being the father of children out of wedlock. It was indeed difficult to attack Bush's morals since Jackson was exposed. Bush did not say a word in response to Jackson's liberal attack nor would he respond to future liberal attacks. Bush simply stuck to his principles and defeated the liberal time and again. That fact is enough to dispute AE's claim that GWB is hated by the American people.
AE, your next statement really reaches the height of stupidity. "Republicans worship the free market and think that it will take care of everything, when in actuality it will reserve all of the good things in life for the wealthy and leave crumbs for everyone else. And there aren't that many wealthy people." If you travel across this great country and witness the great homes and wealth this county's middle class has collected, there is no semipermeable argument to confirm that the rich has kept all the wealth for themselves. The old Marxist class war fair strategy will not work in a democratic and capitalistic country. Liberals need to give up on this Marxist strategy.
When it appeared your stupid statement were finished, I read on. "As for Obama being a failure, it's the people failing him and not the other way around." Rush on the radio told us that liberals blamed the failures of liberalism on the ignorance of the American people but I thought he was saying that to get the liberals goat. Here in your post, you do prove what Rush said was the God honest truth.
The first thought that popes into my mind was that the belief that the people had failed Obama was what Hitler said about the German people at the end of WWII. You let the truth out of the bag. That is the way you feel about American idealism. You do have the attitude if the American people do not accept your liberalism, then they are stupid and you are so smart that others just don't understand you. You, my friend have it all backwards.
Here come another stupid remark:"Heck, the man can't go into other countries now for fear of being arrested for war crimes. And that's not some backwater country - he is unwelcome in France and Germany among others. Is this a good leader? " You certainly refuse to accept the recent truth about Bush's idealism in the world. Germany, France, and England have all kicked out of political office those harsh liberal critics of GWB in favor of more conservative governments. All these countries recently announced that the liberal multi cultural experiment has been a complete failure. The Europeans are now beginning to wake up to the failures of liberal's Marxist thinking and now favor governments based on Bush's American idealism. Your report about all those Europeans hating GWB is outdated and was only the voice of weak liberal leaders.
Your last statement about Obama's successes is ignorant. Only liberal thinking could consider it a success to cram a health care bill down the throats of a public that was overwhelmingly opposed to the bill. Sane and responsible Americans are hoping that the damage done to our country under liberal leadership can survive until we can through them out and allow American idealism to once again lead our country to the great successes it had under Reagan/Bush. It will happen and there is another great American waiting to carry on our proud traditions of American idealism.
It's no wonder many conservatives haven't figured out that people who had money, wanted more money, and collaborated with conservatives to let them keep the money set us up for downfall. If they think like you do, then we've got more problems then we think.
