Speaking in Tongues

[URAVIP2ME]

RE: The world ends when you're dead.

But according to Scripture death is only temporary.
-Rev 21vs4,5; 1Cor 15v26; Isaiah 25vs6-8

Except for those of Matthew 12v32, all the rest will be brought back to life in a resurrection to either immortal life in heaven or everlasting life on earth.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I seem to remember a verse regarding someone not being the author of confusion...

Right. 1 Corinthians 14: 33 which lies a bit further down from verse 22 which speaks of tongues. Funny that two or three can speak, but only one interpreter to which if there is none, everyone is to be silent.

The hilarity is that right after 1 Corinthians 14:33 of which states that God is not the author of confusion but of peace, the very next verses you find and read in secession (14:34,35) states that woman are to keep silent in the church and are not permitted to speak. Wonder what exactly it's trying to imply there......do woman perhaps muddle the works? LOL

Yet further on to verse 14:38 is essentially the relief valve on all of this so to speak in that it reads, "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." Which of course dismisses away all the confusion over who speaks, prophesies, and interprets by leaving a conveniently loose end as an out.

Guess in my case I'll just have to remain permanently ignorant. Too much confusion to be had of which the women are to blame stemming from all their noisy blabbering on bout stuff....... :run:

 

[Jacksnyte]

Right. 1 Corinthians 14: 33 which lies a bit further down from verse 22 which speaks of tongues. Funny that two or three can speak, but only one interpreter to which if there is none, everyone is to be silent.

The hilarity is that right after 1 Corinthians 14:33 of which states that God is not the author of confusion but of peace, the very next verses you find and read in secession (14:34,35) states that woman are to keep silent in the church and are not permitted to speak. Wonder what exactly it's trying to imply there......do woman perhaps muddle the works? LOL

Yet further on to verse 14:38 is essentially the relief valve on all of this so to speak in that it reads, "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." Which of course dismisses away all the confusion over who speaks, prophesies, and interprets by leaving a conveniently loose end as an out.

Guess in my case I'll just have to remain permanently ignorant. Too much confusion to be had of which the women are to blame stemming from all their noisy blabbering on bout stuff....... :run:

Has anyone here ever been to a Vodu peristyle? I'd love to take som Pentecostals to one just to show them the similarities.

 

[diosangpastol]

Speaking in tongues is speaking in an unknown dialect.

during the pentecostal in Acts, the saints who were regenerated spoke different types of language.

in short, speaking in tongues is not to utter unintelligible words, because it can be interpreted.

speaking in japanese in a meeting with filipino attendees will only strengthen the speaker, but it will not build up the church.

that is why when speaking in tongues, there should be one who interprets.

in our meetings which is normally of mixed races, some saints will speak in spanish, some in chinese, some in tagalog, Urdu or Tamil, but there will always be someone who will interpret in another dialect.

 

[doppelganger]

But aren't there any christians who speak in tongues that might care to help us understand the practice, and maybe give us a better idea of the concept behind it?

The willingness to do it used in many Evangelical circles to mark the in crowd from the out crowd. Having participated in the in crowd for a few years in my teens and after talking about it with many, many others who either still do or who also did and don't now, I'm pretty comfortable saying it is probably best described as a learned social custom within those circles, and not a miracle way of communicating "in the Spirit" or the with "the Tongues of Angels" as it's often described.

The general rule they'll tell someone new to the practice is that it will feel very awkward and forced when you first start doing it, but if you keep at it, it will "come naturally" and feel less awkward eventually. Of course, that's true of just about any practice.

So fake it until you make it, and then be sure to forget that you started out by faking it.

 

[jmvizanko]

You know... I doubted tongues as until the day I got an interpretation for a tongue in a Pentecostal Church and another lady gave the interpretation and it was the exact same as I'd heard in my mind.

Could you please specifically tell us what the interpretation was?

And to answer the OP, if Borat can satirically speak in tongues as convincingly as actual Pentecostal's, I'd say we know how full of crap the phenomenon is. Linguists have shown that it does not convey any language, and is nothing but gibberish composed of sounds that are taken from whatever language the practitioner speaks.

I think you can extrapolate from the phenomenon even further. I think that people who claim they communicate with god, who I have never seen give any concrete specific examples of the communication other than things like "its just a feeling," are subject to the same mind over matter placebo effect as the people that claim their gibberish is spiritually driven alien language. Its just as much BS to me.

 

[diosangpastol]

I believe in the gift of tongues, but I definitely don't believe that it is what it's commonly believed to be. A "tongue" is just another word for "language." I believe that it is possible for God to enable an English-speaking person who knows no Spanish, for instance, to communicate in Spanish to a Spanish-speaking person who knows no English. .

Is it safe to say that speaking in tongues in the context of Christianity is what can be referred to as pure prayer?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Is it safe to say that speaking in tongues in the context of Christianity is what can be referred to as pure prayer?

Apparently not because speaking in another person's mother tongue or foreign language was especially for the time around Pentecost.

Please notice Acts 2 vs6-11. People could speak to each other in the other person's language or mother tongue thus communicate the good news of God's kingdom and get first-century Christianity off to a flying start, so to speak.

So rather than prayer it was a preaching and teaching work being done.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Right. 1 Corinthians 14: 33 which lies a bit further down from verse 22 which speaks of tongues. Funny that two or three can speak, but only one interpreter to which if there is none, everyone is to be silent.
The hilarity is that right after 1 Corinthians 14:33 of which states that God is not the author of confusion but of peace, the very next verses you find and read in secession (14:34,35) states that woman are to keep silent in the church and are not permitted to speak. Wonder what exactly it's trying to imply there......do woman perhaps muddle the works? LOL
Yet further on to verse 14:38 is essentially the relief valve on all of this so to speak in that it reads, "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." Which of course dismisses away all the confusion over who speaks, prophesies, and interprets by leaving a conveniently loose end as an out.
Guess in my case I'll just have to remain permanently ignorant. Too much confusion to be had of which the women are to blame stemming from all their noisy blabbering on bout stuff......

Right. God is not the author of confusion. That is why for the gift of being able to instantly communicate with another person in his or her mother tongue or foreign language [Acts 2vs6-11] there would have to be someone there who understood or it would be useless or disorderly.

Woman were not to speak in the capacity of taking the headship of the man away. Also, what would anyone think if someone blurted out something in the middle of a meeting? Rather one should ask privately afterwards.

The gift of tongues died out with the apostles. -1st Cor 13v8.

 

[Muffled]

But aren't there any christians who speak in tongues that might care to help us understand the practice, and maybe give us a better idea of the concept behind it?

I recognize the words "shan da" because it shows up in my tongue speech often. It means "truly to." It is usually part of the phrase "shan da ba kish." which means literally "truly toyou I say" which for translation purposes gets turned aroound to correct syntax in English as "Truly I say to you." This phrase is used by Jesus and can be found in the Bible.

 

[Muffled]

Right. God is not the author of confusion. That is why for the gift of being able to instantly communicate with another person in his or her mother tongue or foreign language [Acts 2vs6-11] there would have to be someone there who understood or it would be useless or disorderly.

Woman were not to speak in the capacity of taking the headship of the man away. Also, what would anyone think if someone blurted out something in the middle of a meeting? Rather one should ask privately afterwards.

The gift of tongues died out with the apostles. -1st Cor 13v8.

Someone forgot to tell Jesus this because He still does it.

 

[Muffled]

Speaking in tongues is speaking in an unknown dialect.

during the pentecostal in Acts, the saints who were regenerated spoke different types of language.

in short, speaking in tongues is not to utter unintelligible words, because it can be interpreted.

speaking in japanese in a meeting with filipino attendees will only strengthen the speaker, but it will not build up the church.

that is why when speaking in tongues, there should be one who interprets.

in our meetings which is normally of mixed races, some saints will speak in spanish, some in chinese, some in tagalog, Urdu or Tamil, but there will always be someone who will interpret in another dialect.

Jesus doesn't feel obligated to follow Paul's rules for an orderly meeting.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Wasn't Jesus meeting at Luke 10 vs1-11,17 orderly?__________________

 

[The Wizard]

In response to the OP. Once, I woke up one time speaking outload and fluently in a language I know nothing about. The last glympse I remember after I woke up actually speaking the language outload was that I was holding some book in a dream with a writing I knew nothing about. I was only asleep for a few minutes, but fell asleep meditating. I have no idea what the book was or what the language was. I still don't know what to make of that mega-strange experience.. IMO.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Wizard-

There is also a book that says there is a 'pure language' that is being spoken according to Zephaniah [3v9]. That language is the pure language of Bible truth.

Jesus believed the Bible was religious truth or fact . [John 17v17]

This language of Scripture causes, as Haggai [2v7] wrote, a shaking of the nations and all the desirable ones of the nations will come out of this world of badness into God's house of worship to worship in truth as Jesus said at John [4vs23,24].

When we mediate on Scripture it becomes a delight to know the grand blessing that are soon in store for mankind. -Psalm 1v2

 

[The Wizard]

Wizard-

There is also a book that says there is a 'pure language' that is being spoken according to Zephaniah [3v9]. That language is the pure language of Bible truth.

Jesus believed the Bible was religious truth or fact . [John 17v17]

This language of Scripture causes, as Haggai [2v7] wrote, a shaking of the nations and all the desirable ones of the nations will come out of this world of badness into God's house of worship to worship in truth as Jesus said at John [4vs23,24].

When we mediate on Scripture it becomes a delight to know the grand blessing that are soon in store for mankind. -Psalm 1v2

I have no idea URAVIP. Because I knew nothing of what I read "consciously" or what I was speaking outload. Or, what the language was. And to add, I had no grandure for speaking in tongues, I don't even read scripture or anything else. Just some strange event that always sticks with me to wonder how on earth or what could possibly be the reason or cause for an event like that... A very strange moment for me with absolutely no explaination. I was like, "what was that all about?" lol.

 

[Hawkins]

I beg to differ a little bit here. I had the experience to exchange words both in my native tongue (whether in-body of out-of-body, I knowth not) and in giberish to some supernatural entities.

Now I suspect that I might know what the nature of "speak in tongue" is.

Once your soul gets out of your body, the language barrier is simply gone. When one speaks to multiple audience, they all hear their own first/native language. Through this mechanism you shall know that we are created and God exists, or else this is simply impossible.

That's how souls talk to each other. Now there are some people who are born to be able to see the "ghosts" often. This is actually a result of certain part of their soul slidely deviates from their body. Some buddhist even practise to achieve this kind of deviation to have a sneak peek on the other side. So with a "visually" soul deviation you see "ghosts". Seeing ghosts actually means those supernatural entities (spirits) can establish a communication channel by manifesting themselves visually to the one with a soul deviation.

Now how about a soul deviation in the "speaking" and "hearing"? There are also two different situations here, 1) a in-born deviation, and 2) a deviation made by God the Holy Spirit.

Case analysis:
category 1. in-born soul deviation in the speaking part
You can speak in tongue. In effect, you speak either in your first language or in giberish but abit out-of-body. It is just a slide deviation or else you can both speak and hear when you totally out-of-body.

category 2. in born soul deviation in the hearing part
You can interpret who speaks in tongue, as whoever in category 1 speaks with soul deviation, you hear your own first language. So that you can tell other what he speaks (in the speaker's first language or giberish)

For example, a spanish speaks in spanish but since he speaks with a slide soul deviation, an english in category 2 will hear English so that he can intepret what the spanish says to other englishmen.

category 3. God the Holy Spirit is in influence
Now both the speakers and listeners are under a slide soul deviation initiated by God. In this case, the language barrier is half gone. It is a half gone because the speakers may not be able to listen while the listeners may not be able to speak (in tongue). I suspect that this is the case of the Pentecost situation.

I can't say that the following verses supporting my view.

Acts 26:14 (NIV)
We all fell to the ground, and I heard a voice saying to me in Aramaic, 'Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.'

Acts 26:14 (KJV)
And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.


Acts 22:9 (NIV)
My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me.

Acts 22:9 (KJV)
And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.


Acts 2:6-8
When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I agree with Jack about the NT saying that they could interpret the tongues. It wasn't babble, it was the languages of hellenistic Jews from several nations. I think babble is plain nonsense.

 

[diosangpastol]

I saw this video from OWN Channel on YouTube.

A professor from some University in the US conducted a brain scan to a person when speaking in his own language and while speaking in tongues or "Glossolalia" (idk if i spelled it right). And according to that professor there is an unknown power that controls the brain when a person is speaking in tongues.

I also remember some churches practicing this but recently I do not think if they are are still doing it.

No one ever explained to me the importance, significance and benefit of speaking in tongues, may it be or may not be spiritual, I don't know.

I found this article too concerning this topic:
http://www.world-science.net/otherne...01_tongues.htm

I hope a pastor or someone practicing it can further explain this.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Even if a church practices 'tongues' does not mean that in our day it is Scriptural.

As Proud 2B Gay mentioned the people in Scripture that spoke in tongues was not babble.

They had an instant knowledge of another language so they could teach another in one's own 'mother tongue'. Please notice Acts 2 vs6 to 11