Islam will dominate!

[DeitySlayer]

I think ive made it very clear in my previous posts that i do not deny the atrocities done by some Mughal emperors.My response was to the insensitive posts of Nameless who was trying to justify the recent killing of innocents in india by Hindu fanatics.

I do agree with you in regards to Nameless. An eye for an eye simply makes everyone blind.

Maybe you could convey the reality of the Mughal atrocities to Fatihah, who despite repeated provision of evidence, including the diary of the Mughal Emperor Jahangir, continues to deny the atrocities in an immoral and disgusting fashion reminscent of Holocaust denial.

 

[Fatihah]

See, Fatihah, it is one thing to have faith in the Quran as the Word of God. It is my understanding that surrendering to God's Will comes naturally from such. So be it. It is not my way, but it can certainly be a marvelous and constructive way for those who have the right aptitude.

It is something else entirely to deny one's own capability for acting and understanding the world we live in and how it works.

Being a Muslim does not make one perfect. It does not render one incapable of harming others, of insulting, of commiting mistakes of various kinds. I don't think I'm disrespecting anyone by saying so, but if you disagree then the rest of this post will be worthless to you.

I may be wrong, but it seems to be that both you and 301ouncer are making too big an issue of the fact that you are Muslims. It certainly looks like you expect to be recognized as above error or reproach simply due to that fact. Both Badran and .lava seem to have been accused of "slander" simply because they pointed out the harm that you have been causing.

Let me tell you, Fatihah, that before being Muslim you are Human. You can and will commit mistakes. Maybe it is somehow different in Islam (I doubt it), but far as I can tell everyone ends up being a better person and a better religious practicioner when he learns to recognize his own mistakes and to take the leap of faith needed to believe that he can learn to no longer insist on them.

It takes some courage, but it also brings nice, legitimate rewards. And it is a true act of faith, far more than simply claiming to have faith in some scripture or other could ever be.

Surely there is no need in Islam to believe that each and every non-Muslim is a foe to be fought until converted, now is there?

Response: Yet your whole statement is without substance. For at no time can you quote either myself or 301ouncer stating we are perfect or above error. And numerous times have you made such allegations of implying interpolated meaning of our posts with no sound basis.

Thus the issue with you is none of which you stated at all, but rather steming from your desire to be correct. That when approaching a dialogue, you assumed yourself in a position of high intellect, thus expecting a debate with muslims to be a simple and easy task in which you could pride yourself of your assumed intellect, but found out that such was not going to be the case, when speaking with myself and 301ouncer.

This is why you've made the allegation that myself and 301ouncer imply perfection to us, when in actually such a claim comes from your self acknowledgment that myself and 301ouncer's intellect is up to par with your assumed status of intellect, and perhaps more, but your pride prevents you from acknowledging so.

 

[.lava]

Response: The verse means that muslims should not sit among those who mock the religion of islam unless they discontinue their mockery. As for the second part of your question, I don't know what you mean. What do you mean by, "how would i sit with someone if was not his friend? "

yes, according to this verse a Muslim could sit with people and talk to them even though they were people who mock God. the only thing a Muslim should do is to stay away when these people mock God not to join mockery in person. my question is simple. i don't go outside and sit with people i don't know. if i sit and talk with someone that's because we are friends. i ask you how could i sit and talk with those who could mock God if i was not friends with them?

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[Fatihah]

What?

I said his marking are the offensive part not the posting of the verse itself.

If he posted the entire verse without marking, that is a different story, although i still wouldn't be able to see what would he mean by that.

However that is not the case, he did highlight this part in particular, so he did insult them by emphasizing the part about our religion being superior to theirs.

Response: Exactly. You claim it is insulting to highlight the words of the qur'an. The qur'an to all muslims is pefect scripture, as it is the word of Allah. Thus if highlighting words of the qur'an is insulting, that means that the words highlighted are insulting. Thus you are insulting Allah(swt). Again, it is your behavior that is insulting.

 

[LuisDantas]

Response: Yet your whole statement is without substance. For at no time can you quote either myself or 301ouncer stating we are perfect or above error. And numerous times have you made such allegations of implying interpolated meaning of our posts with no sound basis.

Thus the issue with you is none of which you stated at all, but rather steming from your desire to be correct. That when approaching a dialogue, you assumed yourself in a position of high intellect, thus expecting a debate with muslims to be a simple and easy task in which you could pride yourself of your assumed intellect, but found out that such was not going to be the case, when speaking with myself and 301ouncer.

This is why you've made the allegation that myself and 301ouncer imply perfection to us, when in actually such a claim comes from your self acknowledgment that myself and 301ouncer's intellect is up to par with your assumed status of intellect, and perhaps more, but your pride prevents you from acknowledging so.

You're reading a lot that is not there. For someone who likes to claim that "there is no proof" so much, you also assume QUITE a lot.

There is also another factual error in your claims, but I'll refuse to put it forward for your own sake.

 

[Fatihah]

I do agree with you in regards to Nameless. An eye for an eye simply makes everyone blind.

Maybe you could convey the reality of the Mughal atrocities to Fatihah, who despite repeated provision of evidence, including the diary of the Mughal Emperor Jahangir, continues to deny the atrocities in an immoral and disgusting fashion reminscent of Holocaust denial.

Response: Apparently not all people are discouraged from being senseless, as shown from your consistant push to make the illogical, logical.

 

[Badran]

Response: Exactly. You claim it is insulting to highlight the words of the qur'an. The qur'an to all muslims is pefect scripture, as it is the word of Allah. Thus if highlighting words of the qur'an is insulting, that means that the words highlighted are insulting. Thus you are insulting Allah(swt). Again, it is your behavior that is insulting.

Highlighting the words (over all religions) conveys that he is emphasizing that Islam is superior to other religions.

His intentions might be different, but it is how it's going to be taken unless he clarified otherwise, and since he didn't, they took it as it appears.

So, for me, like we agreed earlier, i must ask him in private why did he highlight these words, but i must criticize him for the fact that this act is not clear, and will be taken as an insult, because he highlighted this part in a thread called "Islam will dominate!". It's a clear challenge and provoking thing.

Again, if he meant otherwise he should have clarified, but he didn't, so his method is mistaken. Therefore i must criticize it.

 

[Fatihah]

yes, according to this verse a Muslim could sit with people and talk to them even though they were people who mock God. the only thing a Muslim should do is to stay away when these people mock God not to join mockery in person. my question is simple. i don't go outside and sit with people i don't know. if i sit and talk with someone that's because we are friends. i ask you how could i sit and talk with those who could mock God if i was not friends with them?

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Response: In other words, you're asking me "how could you" do something. This question is strange. I'm not you. It implies that you did something but don't know how you did it. Now you are asking me how you did it. Sorry, only you would know that answer.

 

[.lava]

Response: In other words, you're asking me "how could you" do something. This question is strange. I'm not you. It implies that you did something but don't know how you did it. Now you are asking me how you did it. Sorry, only you would know that answer.

you are accusing me things by telling me that i make friends with non-Muslims. that verse cleary shows Muslims can make friends with people though they are not Muslims. that's why i ask. did you blame me and question My faith because i make friends with non-Muslims or not? if it is forbidden to make friends, then explain this verse to prove your claim. if not, YOU STOP SLANDERING OTHER MUSLIMS

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[.lava]

Response: Then once again, you are insulting Allah and the qur'an for these are the words of the qur'an. Your slander of Allah is much more offensive than the alleged offense you claim of someone else.

come on, now, no doubt everyone sees what you are doing. he is not talking about Qur'an or Islam. he is talking about YOUR VERY PERSONAL ATTITUTE which would never represent Muslims, Prophets or any believer and lover of God. whoever loves God sure would love its creatures too unlike you

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[nameless]

Oh please go on repeating.. its quite clear now that u dont have anything else to say but repeat the same over and over again....What a shame!!




LOL!u just cant quit calling me names can u?.Anyways.. i think ive already told you that if its a one sided, hindu fanatic version of Indian history,please keep it to urself .I think we have had enough of that garbage here.




Oh boy! there u go again .FYI im a south indian from Kerala and my town is Kodungalloor which has the first mosque of India.And no it was not built by the Mughals or tipu sultan.Islam first came to india in Malabar through trade between the maapilaas and the Arabs.Ill use the same sources as urs to give the real version of history.Here goes.Read and tell ur RSS and VHP friends to stop misleading people and spreading their venom and hate in society.


Islam in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Peace!

see again, how stupid your replies are....explain how this would contradict mughals attack on south india?


arab had trade relationships with kerala and thus there were some muslims before the arrival of mughals, but how this would contradict mughals invasion of south india?

from wikipedia

According to James Scurry, a British officer, who was held captive along with Mangalorean Catholics, 30,000 of them were forcibly converted to Islam. The young women and girls were forcibly made wives of the Muslims living there.[40] The young men who offered resistance were disfigured by cutting their noses, upper lips, and ears.

wikipedia - tipu sultan

 

[Fatihah]

you are accusing me things by telling me that i make friends with non-Muslims. that verse cleary shows Muslims can make friends with people though they are not Muslims. that's why i ask. did you blame me and question My faith because i make friends with non-Muslims or not? if it is forbidden to make friends, then explain this verse to prove your claim. if not, YOU STOP SLANDERING OTHER MUSLIMS

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Response: There is nothing in the verse which says muslims can make friends with non-muslims. The words "muslims can make friends with non-muslims", clearly is not there. How can a verse say words it don't mention. Amazing. It is you who quoted the verse to begin with, now you shamelessly interpolate your own word in the text. By Allah, you will be judged. Stop distorting the qur'an. Such a shameful attempt.

 

[Badran]

Why didn't you answer my last post Fatihah?

 

[zenzero]

Friend fatihah,

"Those who are not muslims...",

Your quote:

Response: In islam, muslims have an obligation to respect non-muslims

It is clear from your statement that *those who are not muslims....*.
That is the reason asked you whether muslims came first or humans as for no other humans uses words stating *For muslims...* it implies that muslims are beyond other humans.
Now if you are Truthful, clarify whether muslims came first or humans.

Love & rgds

 

[Fatihah]

Highlighting the words (over all religions) conveys that he is emphasizing that Islam is superior to other religions.

His intentions might be different, but it is how it's going to be taken unless he clarified otherwise, and since he didn't, they took it as it appears.

So, for me, like we agreed earlier, i must ask him in private why did he highlight these words, but i must criticize him for the fact that this act is not clear, and will be taken as an insult, because he highlighted this part in a thread called "Islam will dominate!". It's a clear challenge and provoking thing.

Again, if he meant otherwise he should have clarified, but he didn't, so his method is mistaken. Therefore i must criticize it.

Response: And to this Badran, I am forced to agree.

 

[Badran]

Response: And to this Badran, I am forced to agree.

Thank you very much.

 

[Fatihah]

Friend fatihah,


Your quote:
It is clear from your statement that *those who are not muslims....*.
That is the reason asked you whether muslims came first or humans as for no other humans uses words stating *For muslims...* it implies that muslims are beyond other humans.
Now if you are Truthful, clarify whether muslims came first or humans.

Love & rgds

Response: In other words, you could not provide the words, "those who are not muslims" in my post, as you stated existed within my post. Thus your claim is a lie, an example of your denial, or an example of an inability to comprehend simple english. Tell us, which is it?

 

[nameless]

every religion has its own wrong doers. does not take huge courage to face it.

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i disagree, learn how buddhism got spread outside india.

 

[Fatihah]

So you will just ignore what you can't answer or call it hypocrisy or whatever, without even showing why?

Response: I never said I would. So why ask a question to a point never stated?

 

[Badran]

Response: I never said I would. So why ask a question to a point never stated?

I wrote this when i thought that you ignored my post, and when you answered i thanked you.

So sorry for not waiting long enough and thank you again for responding.