Did Jesus say he was God???

[look3467]

2nd John 9; "Whoever stays with the teaching has both the Father and the Son."

If I have the Son, I have the Father, one in the same.

It is good that you have the Son, but where is the Father?

If I have the Son, I have the Father.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

You know, there is a group demanding that a person be Baptized in the name of Jesus only, and then there is a group who demand that God be called Jehovah and no other name.
There are also groups who say Jesus was just a prophet equal to the other prophets with no divinity, and then again some who don't believe in Jesus all together.

So, in all the complications of who's who or what, the simplicity of it all stands, firm, regardless of what any human well thinker may want to believe and is summed up in this verse:
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Pretty much cut and dried, believe it or not, that is the way it is.

But because of unbelief, that is believer and non believer alike, Christ died for the ungodly: Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Salvation is out of our hands and in Gods hands, to the point that God gives us only but to conditions to live by, via His Christ.

1. Love God
2. Love thy neighborAll this believe this or believe that is but like as a cloud covering keeping the sun light from really shining through.

My eyes are on Jesus as my God, as Jesus is also my Father, as also I am one with them in spirit.

Jesus prayed: Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

To want to require anyone to believe this....or that.....is to take away from the simplicity of the Gospel.

In many things you write I am in agreement with and seem to me that we are on the same track, yet with slightly differing angles.

When I present my views they are presented only as a study. A point of view which is, like yours, not a main stream belief, and some what threatening.

But, we both know in whom we believe and trust and is able to keep us.

God the Father, known to many in many different names.... to me? Jesus.

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

This is not the case and you will find no proof for it.

Jesus is without sin.

None of this has any basis in reality.

Unlike Stephen it has not been said of me that I have the Holy Spirit. Like Paul, I have said it of myself. Up until this year I might still have had some room for doubts but now have incontrovertble proof (to me) that I do. I do not say that you should believe me because I have the Holy Spirit and I do prove my points. All I am saying is that the reason my points are valid is because I have the Holy Spirit and a person who does not have the Holy Spirit tends to make invalid points.

That is true. A claim is not the same thing as a proof. The fact that I speak the truth is a testimony that I have the Holy Spirit.

This is how I know you don't have the Holy Spirit because you have imagined such things to be true when there is no proof for them.

There is no proof that Jesus appeared physically to Paul. There isn't even any proof that Paul actually saw Jesus.

If you have been "baptized with/in the Holy Spirit" God has given you a blessing.

You can rightfully claim that as a personal experience, but not one which entitles you to say everything you say is truth.

That is saying that unless we are all baptized as like your self, we have not the Holy Spirit of God in us, thus alienation?

S-sword has his/her views, I have mine and you have yours, yet we all have a healthy respect/love for God which makes us brothers/sisters in God.

If we abide by the two simple commandments given by God to us, where could any of us go wrong?

Tell me what religious view would keep mankind from acknowledging a divinity that is not of this world as the first commandment?

If your thinking about Satanism as an extreme, it is a form of divinity to them.

And tell me if the love for thy neighbor is not a reflection of the first?

Lets break it all down to very simple terms: Lets love God, whom we may know by a particular name, worship Him how our hearts dictate, and reflect that love towards our neighbors.

If we do that, then we are allowing God's Holy Spirit to do His work in the hearts of mankind via our work of love.

We are subject to many varying views about who God is, but God is subject to none.

God looks at the heart of what it is.

Blessings, AJ

 

[S-word]

If I have the Son, I have the Father, one in the same.

If I have the Son, I have the Father.

S-words Response; That’s not necessarily so

quote=look3467; Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

S-words Response; Correct! Enoch the only man chosen from the previous world to have been given the lot of eternal life, was the only living human ancestral spirit within the body of post-flood mankind, and he was made manifest in Abraham who was true to who he was and an extension of who he was. Abraham was righteous in the fact that he was obedient to “Who I Am,” and was the first to be gathered to the living spirit of Enoch in his evolution to become the compilation of the enclosure of spirits, to which compilation Jesus was the obedient servant, in who and through who, the developing Son of Man was made manifest upon the earth at that point in time. Jesus was Enoch reborn, and Enoch=Jesus is the Son and obedient servant to our heavenly Father and saviour through who and in who, he was able to reveal himself and the great sacrifice he makes for the body of mankind in which he develops, and in whose dead past we exist.

That which was in the beginning has become “Who I Am,” and “Who I Am” is connected to our origin by an eternal and unbroken genetic thread of life, “Who I Am” is the compilation of all my ancestral spirits, human and pre-human, and “Who I Am” has never died and can never die. As long as I know “Who I Am,” I will be known, and as long as I am true to and an obedient servant to, and an extension of “Who I Am,” I will be chosen as his successor and allowed to sit beside him in his throne as the supreme godhead of this particular genetic line.

quote=look3467; You know, there is a group demanding that a person be Baptized in the name of Jesus only, and then there is a group who demand that God be called Jehovah and no other name.
There are also groups who say Jesus was just a prophet equal to the other prophets with no divinity, and then again some who don't believe in Jesus all together.

S-words Response; Yup, I know that.

quote=look3467; So, in all the complications of who's who or what, the simplicity of it all stands, firm, regardless of what any human well thinker may want to believe and is summed up in this verse:
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

S-words Response; There are millions of people named Jesus=Joshua. Which one of those do you believe is the source to our lord God and saviour and please don’t try to put a face to the man Jesus who lived two thousand years ago, nor believe that the statues in your home or church bear any resemblance to him. “Who I Am”? Enoch=Jesus came in the name of our Lord and saviour “Jehovah=Who I Am,” who promised Moses that he would raise up a prophet from among the Israelites who would be one of their own people and “Who I Am=Jehovah” sent him (Enoch=Jesus) in His own name to speak in His own name

quote=look3467; Pretty much cut and dried, believe it or not, that is the way it is.

S-words Response; No it is not pretty much cut and dried. You may have the first born son (Enoch who was reborn as Jesus), but you do not have, nor do you know the Father (Who I Am).

Enoch=Jesus, was the first fruits to be raised from the dead world of the past, and It was He, (A human being) who came in the name of the Lord, “Jehovah=Who I Am,” and the earthly IMAGE of our immortal Father “Who I am,” and Enoch=Jesus, who is the obedient servant to “Who I Am,” said in John 8: 28; “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, You will know that ‘I Am Who I Am,’; then you will know that I do nothing on my own authority, but I (Enoch reborn as Jesus) say only what the Father, (Jehovah=Who I Am) has instructed me to say etc. Our Lord God and saviour, “Who I Am” has revealed himself through his first born Son, Enoch=Jesus.

John 3: 14; “As Moses lifted up the IMAGE of the serpent in the wilderness, in the same manner, “The Son of Man,” (Enoch who is the image of the Father) must be lifted up.” The Image of the serpent was lifted up, in order that all those who are dying because of the venom of the serpent that is coursing through their veins, in this point in time of his evolution to perfection, only have to turn to the IMAGE of He, who came down, The spirit in man perfected through the sufferings endured by the body of mankind in which He “The Son of Man,” develops.

Jesus who was the first man to be raised from the dead, is not our lord God and saviour, but He is our hope, See 1st Timothy 1: 1; and the only name that can save you is the name in which Enoch=Jesus came in, the name of our Lord and saviour “Who I Am.”

For I am who I am, may I never lose sight
Of the fact that I am who I am, day and night
I’m not “Who I Was,” nor “Who I Will Be”
For “WHO I AM,” is the name that my God gave to me.

Know who you are and you will be known by “Who You Will Be.”

I longed to hear someone express the words I couldn’t speak
Reveal to me the mysteries of life that all men seek
So I sought the men of science, who say the universe --- has no mind
Oh they say that it’s evolving, but will die one day in time
So then the men of piousness, with them I sat me down
But they say God’s mind is bodiless, those men in flowing gowns
Then finally in silent dream, just me and “Who I Am”
We floated on life’s living stream, with a pen held in my hand
T’was then the veil began to tear, in this Temple that is me
And here, within this sanctuary, I saw the one that I will be.......By S-word

quote=look3467; But because of unbelief, that is believer and non believer alike, Christ died for the ungodly: Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

S-words Response; All humans in their youth will sin in the mistakes they make in their physical life, and the death of that physical body is the ransom for the spirit/mind, who dies in righteousness. The spiritual “Son of Man” was redeemed by the death of the sinful body in which he developed. Psalms 51: 5; “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother (The body of Mankind) conceive me.” 1st Timothy 2: 15; “But the woman is saved through child birth.” It is He, “The Spiritual Son of Man” who develops within the body of mankind, to whom all the sins of the body in which he develops are ascribed. This is the salvation of the body of mankind.

You must believe that which you wish to believe, but do not believe for one moment that you believe in the same God as do, “Who I Am.”

 

[URAVIP2ME]

"I am" is Not the Tetragrammaton [YHWH] for God's personal name that Jesus prayed should be hallowed, sacred, sanctified.

Didn't Jesus say at John [10v29] that his Father is greater than all?
At verse 36 the Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy.
Why? because Jesus said, " I am the Son of God" .

Isn't that why at John [14v28] Jesus could say his Father is greater than I. - [Jesus].

 

[S-word]

"I am" is Not the Tetragrammaton [YHWH] for God's personal name that Jesus prayed should be hallowed, sacred, sanctified.

Didn't Jesus say at John [10v29] that his Father is greater than all?
At verse 36 the Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy.
Why? because Jesus said, " I am the Son of God" .

Isn't that why at John [14v28] Jesus could say his Father is greater than I. - [Jesus].

Quote=URAVIP2ME; "I am" is Not the Tetragrammaton [YHWH] for God's personal name that Jesus prayed should be hallowed, sacred, sanctified.

I’m sorry to have to inform you my friend, but the Tetragrammaton ‘YHWH’ is the personal name of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. There is a relationship between the name Yahweh and the name haya, which means “To Be,” or “To Exist” and Exodus 3: 14-15; supports the association of the name Yahweh with the concept of “Being” or “Existing.” It says, “I Am” has sent me to you. And the name “I Am,” is based on the clause “I Am Who I Am.”

Quote=URAVIP2ME; Didn't Jesus say at John [10v29] that his Father is greater than all?

Yup!


Quote=URAVIP2ME; At verse 36 the Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy.
Why? because Jesus said, " I am the Son of God"

So if the scripture, which cannot be set aside or cancelled, calls them gods, unto who the word of God came, do you call it blasphemy when the one sanctified by God and sent into the world by the Father, says (Through his obedient servant Jesus) “I am the Son of God.”?

Hebrew 10; 5; For this reason, when the anointed one (Enoch) was about to come into the world, he said to God: “You do not want sacrifices and offerings, but you have prepared a body for me, (Past tense) you HAVE prepared a body for me.” That host body on earth, through which the anointed one would reveal himself and the great sacrifice that he would make, was the man Jesus, who was filled with the spirit of our saviour which descended upon him in the form of a dove as he rose from the baptismal waters and was chosen as his heir and successor, when the Lord our saviour said to him, “ýou are my beloved in whom I am pleased, Today I have become your Father, or today I have begotten thee.” See the more ancient authorities of Luke 3: 22.

Quote=URAVIP2ME; Isn't that why at John [14v28] Jesus could say his Father is greater than I. - [Jesus].
His Father is “Our Father who art in heaven,” his saviour, who raised him from death, is our saviour who will raise us also. When Jesus the obedient servant of our indwelling Father, who spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say, said anything at all, they were not his words, but the words of our lord and saviour.

If “you,” the mind/spirit that is developing within that body, which is destined to return to the universal elements from which it was formed, are content with your belief and can enter into a state of rest after it/you have thrown off the earthly garment in which “you” developed, and you feel that you can rest in peace as you await your resurrection and not suffer the mental mind/spirit destroying torment that awaits those who have not lived good lives and do not believe in the resurrection, but believe that after the death of the body they will cease to exist, for as a mind believes, so does the mind experience. Then please stop snapping at my heels and forcing me to correct you.

Isaiah 57: 1-2; “Good people die, and no one understands or even cares. But when they die, no calamity can hurt them. Those who lead good lives find peace and rest in death,”

If those who lead good lives find peace and rest in death, then there awaits a state of mental torment for those who do not lead good lives, as explained in the story of Lazarus and the rich man. There can be no physical pain or physical torment after the body has been returned to the universal elements from which it was formed. The mind/spirit will live or die according to its own belief.

 

[Bruce]

Hi,
I just joined this thread and wish to post a few comments on whether Jesus is God.
First of all, I prefer to address Jesus as 'Jesus the Christ.' Jesus realized the Divinity within himself...he incarnated God in his own self, his own flesh. He was (is) a Divine Realizer. God is Love, and that is what Jesus realized. He did not attain anything which anyone else cannot attain. We must realize the Christ (Divne Love, Compassion and Mercy) within ourselves as Jesus did...it is not that 'Christ' is Jesus' last name. Yes, he said "I and the Father are One." But One in purpose, one in quality, not quantity. We as living souls are part and parcel of God, and partake of His Divinity in that we have all His attributes but in very small measure, as God is Infinite and Omniscient but we are finite and limited.
What Jesus brought to mankind was apparently unique to the Jews and those of the area the Jews inhabited. But if you will study the great masters of the East, particularly India, you will find that there are many God-realized souls who have appeared down through time; Jesus was no more and no less than these sages. I am sorry but I cannot accept Jesus as the Messiah of all time and for all time. I do beleive that anyone who takes the Name of Jesus will be saved; however, I do not beleive in vicarious salvation, that Jesus did all the work and all we have to do is beleive without practicing any spiritual discipline, which does not include just going to church on Sunday without any thought of Him during the rest of our week. Are there teachings which Jesus did not explain? Yes, it is clear, for Jesus said, "I have more to teach you but you cannot bear to hear it now."

 

[S-word]

Hi,
I just joined this thread and wish to post a few comments on whether Jesus is God.
First of all, I prefer to address Jesus as 'Jesus the Christ.' Jesus realized the Divinity within himself...he incarnated God in his own self, his own flesh. He was (is) a Divine Realizer. God is Love, and that is what Jesus realized. He did not attain anything which anyone else cannot attain. We must realize the Christ (Divne Love, Compassion and Mercy) within ourselves as Jesus did...it is not that 'Christ' is Jesus' last name. Yes, he said "I and the Father are One." But One in purpose, one in quality, not quantity. We as living souls are part and parcel of God, and partake of His Divinity in that we have all His attributes but in very small measure, as God is Infinite and Omniscient but we are finite and limited.
What Jesus brought to mankind was apparently unique to the Jews and those of the area the Jews inhabited. But if you will study the great masters of the East, particularly India, you will find that there are many God-realized souls who have appeared down through time; Jesus was no more and no less than these sages. I am sorry but I cannot accept Jesus as the Messiah of all time and for all time. I do beleive that anyone who takes the Name of Jesus will be saved; however, I do not beleive in vicarious salvation, that Jesus did all the work and all we have to do is beleive without practicing any spiritual discipline, which does not include just going to church on Sunday without any thought of Him during the rest of our week. Are there teachings which Jesus did not explain? Yes, it is clear, for Jesus said, "I have more to teach you but you cannot bear to hear it now."

Do you believe that if that body of yours had been born without the sense of sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, etc and was unable to take in any information or experiences offered by this three dimensional world: that "You" the mind/spirit could ever have developed within that body as the controller and the supreme personality of godhead, which "You," the mind/spirit that has developed, are? And do you believe that "You" the mind/spirit, which has developed within that body and continues to evolve on the experiences and information taken in through the senses of that body, will survive in some invisible inner dimension after the body in which "You" develop has been returned to the universal elements from which it was formed?

I'm off for three days and will have no access to a computer until I returm on Thursday evening, Australian time, I will continue this debate then.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Hi,
I just joined this thread and wish to post a few comments on whether Jesus is God.
First of all, I prefer to address Jesus as 'Jesus the Christ.' Jesus realized the Divinity within himself...he incarnated God in his own self, his own flesh. He was (is) a Divine Realizer. God is Love, and that is what Jesus realized. He did not attain anything which anyone else cannot attain. We must realize the Christ (Divne Love, Compassion and Mercy) within ourselves as Jesus did...it is not that 'Christ' is Jesus' last name. Yes, he said "I and the Father are One." But One in purpose, one in quality, not quantity. We as living souls are part and parcel of God, and partake of His Divinity in that we have all His attributes but in very small measure, as God is Infinite and Omniscient but we are finite and limited.
What Jesus brought to mankind was apparently unique to the Jews and those of the area the Jews inhabited. But if you will study the great masters of the East, particularly India, you will find that there are many God-realized souls who have appeared down through time; Jesus was no more and no less than these sages. I am sorry but I cannot accept Jesus as the Messiah of all time and for all time. I do beleive that anyone who takes the Name of Jesus will be saved; however, I do not beleive in vicarious salvation, that Jesus did all the work and all we have to do is beleive without practicing any spiritual discipline, which does not include just going to church on Sunday without any thought of Him during the rest of our week. Are there teachings which Jesus did not explain? Yes, it is clear, for Jesus said, "I have more to teach you but you cannot bear to hear it now."

Yes, Jesus told his apostle he had more to teach them. At that point they would not have been able to bear all that Jesus was going to go through.
Jesus fed them progressively. Even close to his time of death some were arguing among themselves. That helps us see they could not bear all the information all at once.

Didn't Jesus realize he was the beginning of the creation by God according to Revelation 3v14 b?

Yes, Jesus is Christ. Christ meaning: Anointed One. Who anointed Jesus?
Jesus did not anoint himself did he?

 

[S-word]

This is not the case and you will find no proof for it.

Jesus is without sin.

None of this has any basis in reality.

Unlike Stephen it has not been said of me that I have the Holy Spirit. Like Paul, I have said it of myself. Up until this year I might still have had some room for doubts but now have incontrovertble proof (to me) that I do. I do not say that you should believe me because I have the Holy Spirit and I do prove my points. All I am saying is that the reason my points are valid is because I have the Holy Spirit and a person who does not have the Holy Spirit tends to make invalid points.

That is true. A claim is not the same thing as a proof. The fact that I speak the truth is a testimony that I have the Holy Spirit.

This is how I know you don't have the Holy Spirit because you have imagined such things to be true when there is no proof for them.

There is no proof that Jesus appeared physically to Paul. There isn't even any proof that Paul actually saw Jesus.

Quote=Muffled; I have provided scripture and deductions from the scripture. Such things are not imaginations. I can be convinced of things if they are rational. The fact that you won't address the proofs is a victroy for me because you have given up by default.

S-words Response; 2nd letter of John verses 7-10; “Many deceivers have gone out all over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being. Such a person is a deceiver and an enemy of Christ.”

Using your rational thinking, please tell us where we would find a teaching that has been spread throughout the entire earth that refuses to acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being?

1st letter of John 4:1-3; “My dear friends, do not believe all who claim to have the spirit, (My words are spirit) but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere. This is how you will be able to know if it is Gods spirit/word: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus came as a human being has the spirit who comes from God. But anyone who denies this about Jesus, does not have the spirit from God. The spirit that he has is from the enemy of the anointed one, the Anti-christ etc.”

The virgin birth is a lie that was introduced by the deceiving disciples of the enemies of Christ, who refuse to acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being.

Quote=Muffled; I am a servant of God and no servant of the devil but by accusing the brethren you qualify.
S-words Response; If you refuse to acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being, but believe and preach that he came as some immortal god who was supposed to have been the co=creator of the cosmos, who came down to earth and crawled into the womb of some supposed virgin, where his god, with who he was supposed to have helped create the cosmos, then created for him, in the womb of your imaginary virgin, a humanlike body that was not a descendant of Adam, then you are a servant to the Anti-Christ who refuses to acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being.

Quote=Muffled post# 2255; That is about as muddled a statement as I have ever seen. I believe that Jesus has divine Glory because He is God in the flesh; it was not given to him and your statement doesn't prove that it was.

S-words Response; Then you do not believe the word of God which states in Acts 3: 13; “The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers has glorified his servant Jesus.”

If you would care to check your concordance you will find that the Greek word for “Son, Descendant, Offspring,” is not used in Acts 3: 13, instead the Greek word used in this particular verse, means, “A Child (not a descendant,) A Boy, A servant.” But if you choose to accept the KJV, where they have erroneously translated the Greek “wais pais” as “Son,” then you must ask yourself, when was Jesus chosen as the heir and successor to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, “Who I Am”?
This you will find in Hebrew 5: 5-10, “Jesus did not take upon himself the honour of high priest, instead, it was after he had been made perfect through suffering that God declared Jesus to be high priest in the line of succession to Melchizedek, with these words, “You are my Son, TODAY I have become your Father.”

Quote: Muffled; post# 2260; There is no proof that Jesus appeared physically to Paul. There isn't even any proof that Paul actually saw Jesus.

S-words Response; Not only can you not believe or understand that which is written in scripture, you can’t even understand what is said in the posts that you read, this is what I said and which is seen in your post# 2260, Jesus was not a God who became a man, but a man who was created a little lower than the angels and was the first of many brothers who are to be given divine Glory and redeemed from the body of mankind to inherit the glorious bodies in which they will judge even the heavenly beings. There is a physical body, so there must be a spiritual body also, but it is the physical body that comes first, and as we have borne the image of the first Adam, so shall we bear the image of the second Adam who appeared to Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus in his new body of brilliant and blinding light and revealed himself to Saul, as "Jesus of Nazareth."

Now how did you possibly come to the conclusion that I said that Jesus of Nazareth, who appeared to Saul/Paul in his new spiritual body, had actually appeared to Paul in his old physical body?

Paul says, in 1st Corinthians 15; "There is a physical body, so there must be a spiritual body also, but it is the physical body that comes first, and as we have born the image of the first man Adam, so too shall we bear the image of the second man, Jesus was the first fruits to be raised from the dead past of the Son of Man, the first of many brothers, who are created a little lower than the angels then crowned with glory to rule the whole world, even the angelic heavenly beings.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The 'brothers' of 1st Cor 15 are the same 'brothers' of Matt 25v40.

The sheep are Not the 'brothers' but the ones that do good to Jesus 'brothers'.

Jesus spiritual 'brothers' rule as kings and priests in heaven along with Jesus.[Rev5vs9,10]
Who are the subjects or citizens under the priests and kings?
Since heavenly new Jerusalem rules over earth then starting with the living sheep-like ones of Matthew 25v32 are the subjects or earth's citizens that the 'brothers' [kings and priests] rule over. Kings taking care of governmental responsibilities of the sheep and priests taking care of the spiritual needs of the sheep.

 

[S-word]

The 'brothers' of 1st Cor 15 are the same 'brothers' of Matt 25v40.

The sheep are Not the 'brothers' but the ones that do good to Jesus 'brothers'.

Jesus spiritual 'brothers' rule as kings and priests in heaven along with Jesus.[Rev5vs9,10]
Who are the subjects or citizens under the priests and kings?
Since heavenly new Jerusalem rules over earth then starting with the living sheep-like ones of Matthew 25v32 are the subjects or earth's citizens that the 'brothers' [kings and priests] rule over. Kings taking care of governmental responsibilities of the sheep and priests taking care of the spiritual needs of the sheep.

Matthew 6: 7-13; When you pray, do not use a lot of meaningless words, as the pagans do, who think that God will hear them because their prayers are long and repetitious. Do not be like them. Your Father already knows what you need before you ask him. This then is how you should pray:
‘Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, etc.’

Matt 4: 16; so they will see the good things you do and praise your Father in heaven. 5: 48; You must be perfect just as your Father in heaven is perfect. 6: 1; If you do these things publicly, you will receive no reward from your Father in heaven. 6: 4; Pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what you do in private will reward you. 6: 8; Your Father already knows what you need before you ask him. 6: 9; Our Father who art in heaven, etc. 6: 14; Your Father in heaven will also forgive you. 6: 15; Then your Father will forgive the wrongs that you have done. 6: 18; Only your Father will know and your Father will reward you. 6: 26; Your Father in heaven takes care of them. 6: 32; Your Father in heaven knows that you need all these things.

His Father is my Father, he is my brother, who is the heir to our Fathers throne and I bow to my brother, who is now my Lord and my king.

 

[look3467]

His Father is my Father, he is my brother, who is the heir to our Fathers throne and I bow to my brother, who is now my Lord and my king.

If there is no other name under heaven by which mankind can be saved, and Jesus is the the Son of my Father, than Jesus is my Father which is in Heaven: My Lord and my King!

Blessings, AJ

 

[S-word]

If there is no other name under heaven by which mankind can be saved, and Jesus is the the Son of my Father, than Jesus is my Father which is in Heaven: My Lord and my King!

Blessings, AJ

And what name was given to the man that our Lord God and saviour chose as his heir and successor and sent him in his name, to do and say only that which our Lord and saviour commanded him to do and say, in order that he might reveal himself to us, and reveal the great sacrifice that he makes for us?

 

[look3467]

And what name was given to the man that our Lord God and saviour chose as his heir and successor and sent him in his name, to do and say only that which our Lord and saviour commanded him to do and say, in order that he might reveal himself to us, and reveal the great sacrifice that he makes for us?

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Blessings, AJ

 

[S-word]

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Blessings, AJ

John 17: 11;"And now I am coming to you; I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world. Holy Father, keep them safe by the power of your name, the name you gave to me, so they may be one just as you and I are one. while I was with them, I kept them safe by the power of your name, the name you gave to me, etc?

Jesus was not the name of our holy Father, who gave his name to Jesus of Nazareth when he chose him as his heir and successor with these words, "You are my Son, today I have become your Father." And so I repeat the question, what was the name given to Jesus of Nazareth by "Who I Am," who chose him and sent him in his name, to speak in his name, the Holy name by which Jesus of Nazareth protected the ones that our Holy Father had chosen for him before this world was made, the only name with the power to save?

 

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John [17v6, 26] Jesus states he manifested his Father's name and Jesus states he declared his Father's name and will declare it....

 

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Matthew 6: 7-13;
His Father is my Father, he is my brother, who is the heir to our Fathers throne and I bow to my brother, who is now my Lord and my king.

Heir to our Father's throne?
According to Revelation 3v21 Jesus has his own throne. God has his own throne.
'my throne; his throne.'

Who are the 'sheep' of Matthew 25v32?_______________

 

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John [17v6, 26] Jesus states he manifested his Father's name and Jesus states he declared his Father's name and will declare it....

That he did, read John 8: 28; "So he said to them, "When you lift up the Son of Man, you will know that 'I Am Who I Am'; then you will know that I do nothing on my own authority, but I say only that which the Father (Our Father) instucts me to say. And he who sent me, see Deuteronomy 18: 18; is with me; he has not left me alone, because I always do what pleases him. "See John 8: 28; in The Good News Bible, catholic study edition; imprimatur by Archbishop John Whealon, or any Good News bible.

 

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What is God's name? The Tetragrammaton [YHWH] only applies to God not Jesus.

Jesus also prayed that his Father's name should be hallowed, sacred, sanctified.

 

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quote=URAVIP2ME; Heir to our Father's throne?
According to Revelation 3v21 Jesus has his own throne. God has his own throne.
'my throne; his throne.'

Revelation 3: 21; “To those who win the victory I will give the right to sit beside me on my throne, Just as I have been victorious and now sit by My Father in his throne."
In whose throne does Jesus sit? In the throne of our Father. Acts 2: 34; For it was not David who went up to heaven; rather he said, ‘The Lord said to my Lord; sit here at my right side until I put your enemies as a footstool under your feet.’ Hebrew 10: 12; KJV, But this MAN, after he had offered one sacrifice for sin forever, sat down at the right side of God, and as we know from Revelation 3: 21; that was on the right side of God in the throne of God our Father.
There is more scripture that proves that the man, Jesus of Nazareth, to whom God gave his Holy name, “Who I Am” endured to the end and won the victory and the right to sit beside God in the throne of our Father, but I am becoming bored with this debate.


quote=URAVIP2ME; Who are the 'sheep' of Matthew 25v32?


The sheep are the humble and devoted race of mankind who are to be reborn on this earth, when it is again able to sustain physical life-forms once more, after all life has been incinerated by the fire that comes down from heaven after the Sabbath day of the Lord, the seventh period of one thousand years from the first day when Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that day at the age of 930.


Those sheep are not victorious as is the man Jesus and his chosen brothers, who inherit their share of the glorious immortal body of our God and saviour in whose throne we will sit with our brother Jesus of Nazareth, who appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus, in his inherited body of glorious blinding light, for as we have borne the image of the first Adam, so too shall we bear the image of the second Adam, as he was when he appeared to Saul.


The sheep are those who are devided from the goats, and the goats are all those perverts, murderers, theives, etc, who are cast into the fires of hell where their minds are separated from the eternal soul of God, which is the death of the minds that had developed within the bodies of those perverts, murderers and theives etc, which bodies had already been returned to the universal elements from which they were formed, and the death of their minds, is the second and final death.