Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
True that this is mainly an ideological battle.
So, should western nations be allowed to oppose the spread of Islam in their countries as part of this ideological battle?
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True that this is mainly an ideological battle.
Who told you exactly that I believe in absolute freedom without restrictions? When needed, corruption should be fought and restricted. Who told you exactly I believe in liberal art or in any art that oppose the Islamic values? I believe art should be inside the frame of moral values, of course not every thing should be censored but I don't believe to allow a sex scene in a movie for example, etc.
I strongly oppose westernization of our societies and the mentalities of our youth. The amount of the imported ideas and values from the West is amazing, and these imported ideas are the bad corrupting ones and which gradually erase our uniqueness as Muslims, Arabs and Egyptians. True that this is mainly an ideological battle.
I'm sure they have gay members, just like America has probably had atheist presidents in the past. They just know well enough to not admit it outloud.
There are already ideological, intellectual, social and military battles against Islam...So, should western nations be allowed to oppose the spread of Islam in their countries as part of this ideological battle?
There are already ideological, intellectual, social and military battles against Islam...
I strongly oppose westernization of our societies and the mentalities of our youth. The amount of the imported ideas and values from the West is amazing, and these imported ideas are the bad corrupting ones and which gradually erase our uniqueness as Muslims, Arabs and Egyptians. True that this is mainly an ideological battle.
Who told you exactly that I believe in absolute freedom without restrictions? When needed, corruption should be fought and restricted. Who told you exactly I believe in liberal art or in any art that oppose the Islamic values? I believe art should be inside the frame of moral values, of course not every thing should be censored but I don't believe to allow a sex scene in a movie for example, etc.
I strongly oppose westernization of our societies and the mentalities of our youth. .
The amount of the imported ideas and values from the West is amazing, and these imported ideas are the bad corrupting ones.
and which gradually erase our uniqueness as Muslims, Arabs and Egyptians. .
True that this is mainly an ideological battle.
Well, the context of my post was general.How can you compare a sex scene with the fact Sir Elton John is gay?
Bad and corrupting includes many things, like your ideas, values and practices regarding sex; eg extramarital sex and yes homosexual practices, etc. There is no decent girl would say "I slept with this guy yesterday". Of course adultery and homosexuality are very frowned upon from social point of view and from Islamic point of view. Is this new to know?So you are saying that accepting gay people is "bad and corrupting"? I really hope I am getting the wrong impression here not4me I always thought much more of you than this.
...she looked at me wide-eyed and straight-faced and told me how that would have never happened at her prom because..."We don't have gays in Ohio"
Whose other freedoms exactly? A guy coming from another country for a concert?You seem to be making sweeping generalizations. There is no "West" or "East". There is only what you make of the world. The problem is that people use religion and tradition to segregate themselves. I mean, I am fine with you keeping your customs, traditions, and religions, but I would not call restricting others freedom for arbitrary reasons "tradition". What have homosexuals done so wrongly?
I be inclined to ban his performance simply because he lost his originality and appeal long ago.Article
Elton John is supposed to give a private concert in Egypt May 18, but a music organization is colluding with authorities to ban him from performing.
"How do we allow a gay, who wants to ban religions, claimed that the prophet Eissa (Jesus) was gay and calls for Middle Eastern countries to allow gays to have sexual freedom?" head of the Egyptian Musician Union, Mounir al-Wasimi told the German Press Agency DPA.
Whose other freedoms exactly? A guy coming from another country for a concert?
So generally speaking, are you trying to tell me that the social norms in say France, Britain or the USA are the same as Egypt or Syria?
And yeah there is Islam vs Kufr.
...I am fine with you keeping your customs, traditions, and religions, but I would not call restricting others freedom for arbitrary reasons "tradition". What have homosexuals done so wrongly?
Anyway, why is this such a surprise? Egypt is pretty far removed from an "open society" and one can only wonder why Sir Reginald would agree to go in the first place.
Yet another "kingdom in the closet"?I suspect for his fans who are a part of this closed society.
The widespread idea that religious practices are sacred is a handicap in our strive toward improved human rights.
If it was a fair battle, I won't complain because I believe the clash between the now West and Islam (or Muslims) is inevitable. The Western ideologies and values conflict much with Islam, two opposites. This thought is manifested clearly in these threads:Right, but you're making it sound on the other end, that your ideological battle is reasonable. If the west were also waging an ideological battle, why is it any different for them than for you?
Yet another "kingdom in the closet"?
I have no problem to learn from other cultures and take the good from them but we lost the ability to choose between what is good, beneficial and in accordance with our values and on the other hand what is bad, harmful and in conflict with our values. And as I said, mainly the imported ideas are the bad and harmful ones.I never said that Europe or the USA are the same as the Middle East. What I am saying is that is their a reason other than culture to be enemies? Is their a point to segregating the world?