Did God say that?! I Rape in the bible

[sojourner]

Nice personal attack on his character. Is it really that hard for you to follow the rule of the forum.
Rule 3.1: posts that are deliberately inflammatory in order to provoke a vehement response from other users.

Now brother sojourner, if you do not consider this a personal attack I can understand. I see that it is from how he is saying it.

This isn't an attack. it's tragedy. The attack is when he claims that I'm evil because I follow evil statements in the Bible. That's a personal attack. And he should be soundly reprimanded for making such statements.:yes:

 

[Zhakir]

Ok, presuming you are correct, you should have no difficulty providing evidence of this - under one condition - those sources cannot be from Muslims sources.



The Injil (Arabic إنجيل (or Injeel) is one of the five Islamic Holy Books the Qur'an records as revealed by God, the others being the Suhuf Ibrahim, Zabur, Tawrat and Qur'an. The word Injil is derived from Greek word Ευαγγέλιον (evangelion).

I'm sorry to say,you are wrong,The Arab christians existed before Muhammad (pbuh), And they used to call that book by "injeel".till now the remaning minority of these arabs,who didn't convert to islam call it injeel.It's Arabic an word not only islamic.
The word bible comes from the Greek word "biblos" which means "book" the word "bible" doesn't even exist in the bible.
Jesus (pbuh) spoke Aramaic not Greek.
This Arab Christian website name (enjeel.com)may help you to understand how wrong you are.
ÇáßÊÇÈ ÇáãÞÏÓ

 

[sojourner]

So,now you say that bible doesn't apply to you.

No...I'm saying that these particular commandments don't apply to us, because they were written specifically for different people, in a different culture, at a different time, in a different place.

you no more believe in it

I believe in the truth of the witness it conveys. I believe in the revelation of God I receive from that witness. I believe that it exists in the various forms in which I have seen it. What more do you want? (Good Lord! They ask so much...and I give so little!)

and it's teachings and errors.

It teaches a witness of the Church about God. I do believe in that.
Errors? Who in his right mind would believe in errors? Feel free if you want to, but I'd just as soon not, myself.

I know it.

I give thanks that you're so enlightened.

Who said that this verse doesn't apply to christians? Bible? you?

No. Common sense says.

 

[sojourner]

He said

So,now you say that bible doesn't apply to you.and you no more believe in it and it's teachings and errors.I know it.
Who said that this verse doesn't apply to christians? Bible? you?
1)If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Didn't you already ask this question? The CD seems to be skipping a bit...
::BANG BANG BANG:: (Hits CD player with flat of hand a few times. CD hiccups, then continues playing, "Crazy" by Paatsy Cline...)

 

[YmirGF]

I'm sorry to say,you are wrong,The Arab christians existed before Muhammad (pbuh), And they used to call that book by "injeel".till now the remaning minority of these arabs,who didn't convert to islam call it injeel.It's Arabic an word not only islamic.
The word bible comes from the Greek word "biblos" which means "book" the word "bible" doesn't even exist in the bible.
Jesus (pbuh) spoke Aramaic not Greek.
This Arab Christian website name (enjeel.com)may help you to understand how wrong you are.
ÇáßÊÇÈ ÇáãÞÏÓ

I should have been clearer in my request, Zhak. I meant show me evidence of the use of the word injeel PRIOR to Muhammad, NOT afterwards. I have zero interest in anything after the time of Muhammad. Remember, you cannot use Muslim sources.

And yes, being shown a website in Arabic was very instructive.

 

[sojourner]

So has Colossians 2:13-15 been canceled?, according to it? and all the Bible? meaning you no more believe in it?
or is it just another contradiction.

The "written code" referred to does not = "The Bible." It does = "The written code of the Law" (which exists outside the Bible).

Earth hasn't pass away

Neither has the Law. It is still here, in fulfilled form. (BTW, the parts you referred to earlier as "evil" are not part of "the Law" referred to in your Matthew reference.

Contradictions don't make sense to me.
Earth hasn't pass away,then Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
If you don't , then no heaven for you,but if you do and teach this, you shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Is God telling that?

This isn't Law. It's prophecy. This isn't what the Matthew admonishment is talking about. That's a perceived contradiction that's fooling you.
God isn't telling us that. The translator tells us that the redactor tells us that Matthew tells us that Jesus tells "the multitude" that the Law won't pass away. And we're not even sure that the Sermon on the Mount is an actual, historical event. It's part of Matthew's theological perspective on ecclesiology.

 

[sojourner]

To find more of these:
Contradictions of the Gospel ?
And these
Murder in the Bible ?

)If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

we don't care about "finding more of them." Our own scholars have already done quite nicely, thank you.

 

[sojourner]

Similarly, you ignore everything everyone else says. Why don't you try reading the Bible, cover to cover, and then talk to real Christians?

According to a few of his posts, there are no real Christians. So I guess I'm just a figment of my own imagination, and this post doesn't really exist, which means that all of you are completely deluded by the non-existent, "evil Christian."
Bwa hahahaha!
:fork:

 

[sojourner]

Ha. It's like teaching algebra to a hamster.

But not geometry. They understand circles...
: hamster :

 

[Don Penguinoini]

But not geometry. They understand circles...
: hamster :

But 2D even better

 

[Zhakir]

No,it's like teaching relativity to a virus! or worse, you are making no sense.
Why Jesus
criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)?

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

 

[Don Penguinoini]

No,it's like teaching relativity to a virus! or worse, you are making no sense.

That was pretty poor...

 

[Zhakir]

That was pretty poor...

It's pretty poor,not to quote what i said and reply

Why Jesus
criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)?

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

Sorry i forgot,you don't believe in the Bible just like i don't.

 

[sojourner]

No,it's like teaching relativity to a virus! or worse, you are making no sense.
Why Jesus
criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)?

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

Several points need to be made in response to your post.
First, you can't analyze scripture by proof-texting. It just doesn't work that way. If you want to talk about Mark's version of Jesus, fine. If you want to talk about Matthew's version of Jesus, fine. But you need to seriously understand that, usually, the twain do not meet. Mark's Jesus is presented far differently than Matthew's Jesus.

Second, in Matthew, Jesus is speaking to a group of followers. In Mark, Jesus is speaking to a group of detractors -- namely, the Jewish religious authorities. So the two passages are not contextual.

Let's look at the Mark quotation, since I've already dealt effectively with the Matthew quotation in an earlier post.

This passage is taken out of context and grossly misunderstood. You really need to go back to verse 6, where Jesus quotes Isaiah as saying, "Thes people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far frm me."

Then, in verse 8, he goes on to say, "You have let go of the commandments of God and are holding on to the commandments of men." This is the pivotal verse in the pericope -- not the part where "Jesus criticizes them for not killing their children."

The example Jesus uses points not to a criticism for their not killing their children, but to a criticism where they actually prevent the children from honoring their parents (as the Law commands), because of a man-made Law of "Corban" that they have tacked on, and insist that everyone follow.

Jesus does take objection to cruelty of the Law. The scriptures are clear about Jesus' mitigatory and compassionate nature. Your misunderstanding and misreading has led you to propagate a false conclusion.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

It's pretty poor,not to quote what i said and reply.

You can't talk. You just post pre-programmed responses to almost all questions.

 

[Zhakir]

I don't believe Jesus (pbuh) said:
Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)
Christians following such commandments shall be put to death.No law in the world disagrees except that of the Bible.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:
And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands (as prisoners of war)

The Quran in Sura 23:5-6 says:
5 [Most certainly true believers] . . . guard their private parts scrupulously, 6 except with regard to their wives and those who are legally in their possession, for in that case they shall not be blameworthy.

Perrrrfect!

 

[Zhakir]

The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:
And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands (as prisoners of war)

The Quran in Sura 23:5-6 says:
5 [Most certainly true believers] . . . guard their private parts scrupulously, 6 except with regard to their wives and those who are legally in their possession, for in that case they shall not be blameworthy.

Perrrrfect!

The verses are talking about the slaves, Slaves benefited from Islamic dispensations which improved their situation relative to that in pre-Islamic society
Read this:
Islam and slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Zhakir]

Slavery in the Bible : Originally posted by "the Bible"

Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.

Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.

The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?

The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and screws them!

What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

 

[sojourner]

I don't believe Jesus (pbuh) said:
Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)
Christians following such commandments shall be put to death.No law in the world disagrees except that of the Bible.

That may be the second correct thing you've said thus far. Jesus didn't say it. Isaiah said it. Mark records Jesus as having quoted Isaiah.
Christians don't follow "such commandments," because "such commandments" don't exist. It's not a commandment -- it's a prophecy, presented in Mark as an object lesson -- not a commandment.
You have yet to show, much less prove, that the Law of the Bible "disagrees."
But you're entertaining.:ignore: