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That they mistakenly believed that religious leaders in the Mormon church would honor the agreement to not interfere in matters of state, from the pulpit.
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Prop 8 in California
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lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
Which is why some good lawyers are preparing to file a law suit as we speak. This ain't over.
lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
Yes, extremely expensive. Not just the money to hire people to collect signatures to get it on the ballot. But also the flood of advertising that down-right lied. Californians were bombarded with commercials that told them that unless prop 8 passed their churches would be forced to marry same-sex couples. Even people who are neutral on BGLT rights voted Yes on 8 because they thought freedom of religion was under attack.
It should be *-ing ILLEGAL to outright lie in political ads. There should be repercussions, prosecutions, lawsuits...
Draka
Wonder Woman
If some people feel that way due to their religion then that's on them. They shouldn't try to enforce their own religious ideals on the population in general...especially when the ones inflicting their beliefs won't have their lives affected at all.
When will these douchewaffles see that someone else's marriage DOESN'T AFFECT THEM? Whether a same sex couple gets married or not it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM! So why why why do they feel the sickening PERVERSE need to stick their noses in where it doesn't belong? Why do they want to openly discriminate against an entire group of people and keep them from having the same rights as them? They are no better than those throughout our sad history that fought against equal rights for blacks and women and inter-racial marriages. Egotistical cretons who think themselves so much better than others. Might as well be skinheads.
What agreement would that be?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
It's sad and unfortunate to witness liberty undermined by hatred and bigotry.
Judges are hired, trained, and paid to rule on societal issues. What makes you think they are not?
madhatter85
Transhumanist
Thank goodness prop 8 passed,
This is a great victory i have seen today.
This is a great victory i have seen today.
Alceste
Vagabond
Thank heavens for that. The federal constitution trumps state constitutions. So it's money well wasted by the religious right, IMO. Let's hope they pay double in their next doomed effort. Maybe eventually they will bankrupt themselves.
Alceste
Vagabond
Hate to burst your bubble, but as I said above, the US constitution trumps state constitutions. This will be fought and defeated. People don't part with equal rights easily once they've had a sample.
Dopp has me worried, though. I think he has a point about it not being a good idea to bring this matter before the US Supreme Court. I don't really like the idea of the Supreme Court as it is now messing with the definition of marriage at the state level; it could do more harm than good.
madhatter85
Transhumanist
It's not about equal rights because same-sex marriage is behavioral.
It will not be trumped and defeated because that would be unconstitutional to overturn the voice of the people. Then you take away EVERYONE'S freedom. it become a dictatorship rather than a democracy.
Well at least prop 4 failed. And we know that obama is against prop 8 so maybe that will have some influence in the future of this fight. It's not over yet.
Maybe instead wasting time venting and ranting we can trade ideas on how we can all get more involved and help right this travesty. Anyone got any ideas?
Maybe instead wasting time venting and ranting we can trade ideas on how we can all get more involved and help right this travesty. Anyone got any ideas?
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
1) Prove it
2) So what if it is? It's still about equal rights.
Funny how we've survived giving equal rights to women, blacks, and interracial couples.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
What was Prop 4?
"The voice of the people"? How can it be "the voice of the people" when only 37% of "the people" vote? We don't have the voice of the people we have 37% of the voice of the people; only 4% more than the last time this was on the table And it's the supreme courts job to throw out laws they find unconstitutional. To hire someone to do a job and then get mad at them when they do do that job is completley contradictory. Besides I'll bet you wouldn't be complaining like this if things were switched, and after years of same sex marriages being allowed a few supreme court judges deemed it unconstitutional for them to marry. I bet you would be backing them up the whole way as they nullified all previous same sex marriages. I don't have any problem with you disagreeing with the ruling of the supreme court but don't make this into an issue about "abuse of power" and "the voice of the people" because that's just plain wrong. Regardless of whether or not you agree with the supreme courts ruling THEY WERE DOING THEIR JOB. And hopefully they'll do it again by getting rid of this abomination of an amendment.
Draka
Wonder Woman
It is about equal rights. That's so evident you have to be blind not to see it. Oh, that's right, I forgot...religious blinders are specifically for these kinds of things aren't they?
And it's not unconstitutional to deliberately discriminate and withhold the rights of a particular group of people on the basis of prejudices?
Uh? OF COURSE it is about equal rights. Why on earth should homosexuals have any less rights to marry than anyone else?
There is simply no way for the official recognition of same-sex marriages to endanger the freedom of anyone. The only thing that Proposition 8 protects is the world view of people who really ought to open their eyes (and heads) a bit already. Marriage is a private matter which the government shouldn't even attempt to discourage.
It would require women under the age of 18 to inform their parents or some other family adult before being able to get an abortion and as such they would not be able to get an abortion unless their parents or some other adult relative knew about it. I don't know if said adult would have to give permission, only that they would have to be informed. Here's a link with more info.
California Proposition 4 (2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)