Christians and music

[darkendless]

Ok so i was watching a few vidoes on youtube when i came across this YouTube - Christians protest

Why do Christians take it upon themselves to go to events such as this and tell people they're going to hell and that they're bad?
What do they get out of shouting abuse at a group of teenagers? Should those of us who happen to like Marilyn Manson go to CHurch and shout abuse at them? No thats inappropriate, so why do they do it to anti-christians?

To be honest manson is a puppy, imagine what the Godlies would do if they saw this YouTube - Gorgoroth - Carving a giant (uncensored) (Gorgoroth - Carving a giant).

Whats your view, is this too far or is it their right to shout abuse at people who go and support artists like manson?

 

[UnityNow101]

It is certainly their right to protest and shout at people who support music which they oppose, unless there is physical harm involved. As long as they are peacefully protesting, they are well within their rights.

As for their protesting and insults, I believe that it is a joke. When they make fools of themselves like this, do they honestly believe that people will accept what they have to say and actually consider any of it? Of course not. But they believe that they are saving us all from the fires of hell, as they create a personal hell for themselves and the enjoyers of that particular musician.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

Because they are insecure. A Christian should never tell anyone they are going to Hell. It flat out goes against Scripture.

 

[darkendless]

It is certainly their right to protest and shout at people who support music which they oppose, unless there is physical harm involved. As long as they are peacefully protesting, they are well within their rights.

As for their protesting and insults, I believe that it is a joke. When they make fools of themselves like this, do they honestly believe that people will accept what they have to say and actually consider any of it? Of course not. But they believe that they are saving us all from the fires of hell, as they create a personal hell for themselves and the enjoyers of that particular musician.

Yes but do you think if we wen't to a Chrtian rock concert preaching that God was a lie and that they are stupid that we'd not be arrrested? Could we (being people against Christianity) go to a church, and peacefully protest against God. I don't think so. Thats the main reason i posted these videos, it seems as though if you're a theist you can do what you want while the rest of us suffer with the endless dribble of scripture.

 

[Sunstone]

Some folks don't think they're alive unless they create a little needless drama in their lives. I suspect the folks protesting music are like that.

 

[UnTheist]

I'm fav'ing this

 

[ChristineES]

These Christians who these things are weak in their faith. Because they are weak in their faith, they seem to be trying to find a way to strengthen by protesting what may lead them away from it. Unfortunately, along with strengthening their own faith, they are weakening the faith of others.

 

[Zephyr]

Ok so i was watching a few vidoes on youtube when i came across this YouTube - Christians protest

Why do Christians take it upon themselves to go to events such as this and tell people they're going to hell and that they're bad?
What do they get out of shouting abuse at a group of teenagers? Should those of us who happen to like Marilyn Manson go to CHurch and shout abuse at them? No thats inappropriate, so why do they do it to anti-christians?

To be honest manson is a puppy, imagine what the Godlies would do if they saw this YouTube - Gorgoroth - Carving a giant (uncensored) (Gorgoroth - Carving a giant).

Whats your view, is this too far or is it their right to shout abuse at people who go and support artists like manson?

I'm curious. I've seen plenty of nutters cry out about Black Metal (as can be seen in the amazing Gorgoroth song), but how do you think they'd feel about bands like Horde, or Holy Blood, or Sanctifica? They all play in a very similar style, but their music is very Christian at the same time. Other than the fact that they kind of suck and have really sacrificed the grit of the style, are they worthy of this same protest?

What I'm basically asking is this: Is it the style or the message that's so distressing?

Also, now I must play my Gorgoroth discography playlist.

 

[Dunemeister]

What I'm basically asking is this: Is it the style or the message that's so distressing?

My guess is that it's a combination of both. Some Christians might be scandalized to learn that there are other Christians who play that style. But I think the bottom line would be opposition to the message the bands sing. Let's face it, Christians were up in arms about Lennon's "Imagine", a much more pleasant song than any of the ones posted on this thread. Clearly, Christians weren't opposed to pleasant chords and melodies struck on a piano.

 

[darkendless]

I'm curious. I've seen plenty of nutters cry out about Black Metal (as can be seen in the amazing Gorgoroth song), but how do you think they'd feel about bands like Horde, or Holy Blood, or Sanctifica? They all play in a very similar style, but their music is very Christian at the same time. Other than the fact that they kind of suck and have really sacrificed the grit of the style, are they worthy of this same protest?

What I'm basically asking is this: Is it the style or the message that's so distressing?

Also, now I must play my Gorgoroth discography playlist.

Its the imagery. Look at carving a giant, i dont think anyone really cares about how they justify their music, its all about the image of satan, of violence and slaughter. I posted this video because i was in Norway when it came out and there was quite a bit of anger, i cant understand why. If Christians can say what they want without harm, why cant Gorgoroth? Is there some kind of double standard?
The common arguement against Black Metal is its too violent, but look at rap music. They encourage gang wars (bloods and krips), drive by shootings and all that garbage, yet we have to listen to it (unfortunately) every day.
I listen to Horde all the time, i don't care what they believe in. Most people choose to look behind he band and base their judgement on what the band stands for and what they believe in, and not what message theyre sending.
Back to Marilyn Manson, i think there would be half the commotion there is about him if he dressed normally.
Some countries even go as far as to ban black metal (Malaysia). If thats the case are they going to ban Christian music as well? No of course not because black metal is violent. Even my old band Darkendless was censored somewhat before we could play at university as to not offend anyone. Double standards.

 

[dawny0826]

These Christians who these things are weak in their faith. Because they are weak in their faith, they seem to be trying to find a way to strengthen by protesting what may lead them away from it. Unfortunately, along with strengthening their own faith, they are weakening the faith of others.

I sort of see things in an opposite light.

I believe people such as these are quite strong in their faith. They're actions are brash but the message is consistent.

Other Christians may not agree with their "brand" of Christianity but I didn't really see anything in the video that suggested that the protestors were lashing out at people in hate.

And respectfully, I ask, is one really strong within their own faith if they are easily weakened by other people?

 

[blackout]

People who are "strong in their own thing"
generally feel no need to go around "policing & protesting" everyone else.

Unless of course "their thing" is policing & protesting everyone else.

 

[dawny0826]

People who are "strong in their own thing"
generally feel no need to go around "policing & protesting" everyone else.

Unless of course "their thing" is policing & protesting everyone else.

Marilyn Manson isn't exactly everyone else. Much of his art is anti-Christian/anti-religion. And don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those who believe that policing and protesting always reaps fruitfull results but as a Christian, I can understand the passion and desire to speak out against something or someone that publically and colorfully comes against everything that you hold dear. It's not my "brand" of outreach but I don't feel that these people are necessarily in the wrong.

I'm often frustrated with organized religion myself but how many times have I danced around my house to my Mechanical Animals, cd? I can't help but to look inward and ask myself, truly, who is more sincere? A Christian who speaks out against things that are clearly not of Christ or a Christian like myself, who keeps quiet and often chooses compromise?

 

[stacey bo bacey]

I've heard some religious people say they only listen to religious music because why would they waste their time on music that isn't about God?

I think that is so ridiculously stupid. There is a lot of amazing music out there and guess what! It ain't all about God! :bounce

 

[dawny0826]

I've heard some religious people say they only listen to religious music because why would they waste their time on music that isn't about God?

I think that is so ridiculously stupid. There is a lot of amazing music out there and guess what! It ain't all about God! :bounce

But for many Christians, Stacey, it really IS all about God. They place God's will before their own. Even with the small stuff.

You may consider this ridiculously stupid but there are people who feel that this is the right way to live.

 

[stacey bo bacey]

But for many Christians, Stacey, it really IS all about God. They place God's will before their own. Even with the small stuff.

You may consider this ridiculously stupid but there are people who feel that this is the right way to live.

I can see that. I really can. It is totally understandable that people would feel this way toward God even regarding the tiny things...because everything is through him (in their eyes).

I just think a lot of times, this kinda stuff is overkill. Like do they really, absolutely feel the need to mention God every 3 seconds? He knows you love him, he knows you're thankful. It's like with anything else...good or bad..you mention it too much or you do it too much...it's like damn, chill out! We GOT it.

And I'm pretty darn sure God would be ok with you making music about something other than him for ONCE. I think it's really weird that people would only subject themselves to music that praises God even when there is other "wholesome" and positive music out there that I'm sure would be Jesus-approved.

Does that make sense or am I grasping at straws here?

 

[blackout]

But for many Christians, Stacey, it really IS all about God. They place God's will before their own. Even with the small stuff.

You may consider this ridiculously stupid but there are people who feel that this is the right way to live.

Believe it or not, that's exactly how I was for years as a christian.
Only now I don't believe any of that "christian" stuff was "God's will" at all.
It was just "christian stuff". Not God stuff.

What I know now is... ALL stuff is God stuff.

My "relationship" with God is SO much more now than it ever was then.
And now I'm allowed to actually enjoy life! and know God in All things.

 

[darkendless]

Marilyn Manson isn't exactly everyone else. Much of his art is anti-Christian/anti-religion. And don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those who believe that policing and protesting always reaps fruitfull results but as a Christian, I can understand the passion and desire to speak out against something or someone that publically and colorfully comes against everything that you hold dear. It's not my "brand" of outreach but I don't feel that these people are necessarily in the wrong.

I'm often frustrated with organized religion myself but how many times have I danced around my house to my Mechanical Animals, cd? I can't help but to look inward and ask myself, truly, who is more sincere? A Christian who speaks out against things that are clearly not of Christ or a Christian like myself, who keeps quiet and often chooses compromise?

Unfortunately a lot of Christians don't keep quiet, they go out of their way to make themselves heard and to attack others on their way. Marilyn Manson is just an example i used because most people know him. It's rediculous how many bands are rideculed on state media for their messages against Christianity. Others are censored, my band Darkendless was censored for having the song lyrics "Odin was swept away by the sword of the God of man." How fair is that? We have to see Christian messages everywhere, yet the moment we speak against them, we're offensive and tasteless. It's as though they can say whatever they want to us, yet our reply is heavily censored as not to offend. But its ok if we're offended?
Christianity goes against everything i hold dear, should i begin to police them because i don't like what they're saying? No, it wouldn't work. Once again double standards. A lot of this happens in Norway, yet the Christians believe that church burning is a result of extremism. Its not, people are genuinly sick of being told they're going to hell by a group of fanatics who stand outside a rock concert hurling abuse at everyone who enters. My adivce to them is to get a life and refrain from human contact until they can be civil and respect beliefs other than their own.

 

[stacey bo bacey]

Unfortunately a lot of Christians don't keep quiet, they go out of their way to make themselves heard and to attack others on their way. Marilyn Manson is just an example i used because most people know him. It's rediculous how many bands are rideculed on state media for their messages against Christianity. Others are censored, my band Darkendless was censored for having the song lyrics "Odin was swept away by the sword of the God of man." How fair is that? We have to see Christian messages everywhere, yet the moment we speak against them, we're offensive and tasteless. It's as though they can say whatever they want to us, yet our reply is heavily censored as not to offend. But its ok if we're offended?
Christianity goes against everything i hold dear, should i begin to police them because i don't like what they're saying? No, it wouldn't work. Once again double standards. A lot of this happens in Norway, yet the Christians believe that church burning is a result of extremism. Its not, people are genuinly sick of being told they're going to hell by a group of fanatics who stand outside a rock concert hurling abuse at everyone who enters. My adivce to them is to get a life and refrain from human contact until they can be civil and respect beliefs other than their own.

:yes:

 

[ChristineES]

To be truthful, I never listened to Marilyn Manson. I read some of his lyrics and that was enough for me.
And weak people can weaken other weak people but no, they can't weaken strong people.