Apollo 14 Astronaut claims aliens exist!

[Jayhawker Soule]

How exactly is the myth of alien abductions hurting anyone?

Gullibility is not a good symptom.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Gullibility is not a good symptom.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

 

[Magic Man]

That's a gross misreading of the text, particularly when I've explictly said the opposite more than once.

Well, you can keep denying it, but your comments here speak for themselves. If you think it's a misreading on my part (and, apparently I'm not the only one), then maybe you should specify more clearly. I have not seen anyone go from "We exist, and there are trillions of other planets out there" to "An alien abducted me and there is a huge conspiracy". All I've seen is going from "We exist and there are trillions of other planets out there" to "Intelligent life of some sort probably exists". I have never in my life heard the people who claim to have been abducted say that their reasoning was that alien life seems highly likely. They make that claim for the same reason people say they saw God. They believe they had an experience, and it's not necessarily based on reason or scientific evidence.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Well, you can keep denying it, but your comments here speak for themselves. If you think it's a misreading on my part (and, apparently I'm not the only one), then maybe you should specify more clearly. I have not seen anyone go from "We exist, and there are trillions of other planets out there" to "An alien abducted me and there is a huge conspiracy". All I've seen is going from "We exist and there are trillions of other planets out there" to "Intelligent life of some sort probably exists". I have never in my life heard the people who claim to have been abducted say that their reasoning was that alien life seems highly likely. They make that claim for the same reason people say they saw God. They believe they had an experience, and it's not necessarily based on reason or scientific evidence.

Then it should be abundantly clear to you that I am not referring to anyone here with my comments, and they are strictly focused on the OP.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

They believe they had an experience, and it's not necessarily based on reason or scientific evidence.

But you have seen Cardero equate Sagan and Shklovskii with Timothy Good and Jim Mars, and your support was indeed touching ...

 

[Magic Man]

What hypocritical nonsense. Which one of those books have you read? The one by the violinist? The one by the conspiracy theorist? Or, perhaps, the one that rejects the so-called "Extraterrestrial Hypothesis"?

How exactly is anything there hypocritical? What has he said that is contradicted by the idea of being well-informed and discussing ideas from unbiased, educated perspectives?

Gullibility is not a good symptom.

It would help if your insulting, ridiculous one-liners at least made sense. It's not a good symptom of what? Where is the gullibility? As usual, you are not interested in conversation, just snide comments that I can only assume make you feel superior. I hope it does make you feel better, otherwise your comments are completely useless.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

And again, here is your support of insults, rather than respectful discussion. Do you really wonder why I have issue with your posts here, after comments like this?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

... equate Sagan and Shklovskii with Timothy Good and Jim Mars...

Willie Wept.

 

[Mister_T]

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[Magic Man]

Then it should be abundantly clear to you that I am not referring to anyone here with my comments, and they are strictly focused on the OP.

I guess you missed the point. Maybe I didn't say it well. I'll try again. I have never heard anyone (including the man in the article in the OP) go directly from "We exist and there are trillions of other planets" to "I was abducted, or had contact with aliens". Yet, you still say that people are doing that. They are not. They are saying that they had an experience with aliens. You can say that's sick, but that's a little harsh, just like it would be for me to say you're sick for believing in God.

 

[Magic Man]

But you have seen Cardero equate Sagan and Shklovskii with Timothy Good and Jim Mars, and your support was indeed touching ...

What?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

What has he said that is contradicted by the idea of being well-informed ...

Perhaps suggesting that Sagan and Marrs are equally valid and valuable sources of information ...

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It seems only fair to divulge that Adamsky was a friend of my mother. I've had ample exposure to the ufology fringe. :yes:

 

[angellous_evangellous]

It seems only fair to divulge that Adamsky was a friend of my mother. I've had ample exposure to the ufology fringe. :yes:

Wow, I never knew.

I read a gaggle of these books, too, before I died in the phd program. Very interesting stuff.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I guess you missed the point. Maybe I didn't say it well. I'll try again. I have never heard anyone (including the man in the article in the OP) go directly from "We exist and there are trillions of other planets" to "I was abducted, or had contact with aliens". Yet, you still say that people are doing that. They are not. They are saying that they had an experience with aliens. You can say that's sick, but that's a little harsh, just like it would be for me to say you're sick for believing in God.

Glad to help.

The astronaut in the OP suggests that the aliens that he's aware of are closely related to, if not explicitly are, Greys (note post 1 and 36).

Greys - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Greys are intelligent, humanoid extraterrestrials that appear in claims of encounters with UFO-related phenomena, especially alien abduction.

 

[cardero]

Jayhawker Soule writes: What hypocritical nonsense. Which one of those books have you read?

I have read all four of them (this includes your highly recommended, much admired 500 + page tome Intelligent Life In The Universe). I did not criticize you for the fact that it was outdated by 50 years. I did not come after you for the fact that one needed a Masters Degree in astronomy to understand it. I did not complain when I further researched other areas of information when there was something I did not fully understand. I did not disapprove or disparage that over 80% of the book had nothing to do with the examination of “Life In The Universe” but instead preferred to concentrate on the formation of the universe. I did not pass judgment on the credentials of these authors even though they admitted that there was much that they did not know and understand about the universe and that the theories they were positioning were just that; speculations.

Jayhawker Soule writes: The one by the violinist? The one by the conspiracy theorist? Or, perhaps, the one that rejects the so-called "Extraterrestrial Hypothesis"?

I've read hundreds of books on the UFO phenomenon. I have read one written by a black man, an artist, an air force Major, a scientist, a debunker, a Christian, a journalist, a contactee, an abductee, a housewife, an engineer and a novelist. I am not sure what credentials you are seeking but if you are waiting for the official announcement to be released by NASA, NSA, CIA, FBI, Air Force or our science community and government, I doubt any of us will be reading this publication or examining this data in our lifetimes. These institutions claim to have washed their hands of the phenomenon despite its ongoing presence.

I can’t imagine where you get these ideas that an ordinary person is incapable of pursuing their own research. I cannot fathom (even in the depths of your own intelligence and ignorance) how you find it difficult to accept anyone who is interested in a subject to reason, evaluate and examine the current evidence and data with their own intelligence and be able to conclude their own theories from the accumulated information and compare this knowledge to what is already known.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I've read hundreds books on the UFO phenomenon.

Wow. And out of 100s you picked those 3. That speaks volumes about the genre. But, be that as it may, what testable evidence have you unearthed?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I did not criticize you for the fact that it was outdated by 50 years.

Now I really do feel old ...

 

[cardero]

Wow. And out of 100s you picked those 3.

I thought those particular publications were relevant to this topic and would be a fine beginning for anyone interested in further research.

Jayhawker Soule writes: That speaks volumes about the genre. But, be that as it may, what testable evidence have you unearthed?

I am an armchair researcher (much like you). The reason we research these books of interest is because we do not have the same resources or opportunities as the authors to actively participate in the examination and the collection of information. Regardless, the collection of data is a form of evidence and the UFO phenomenon is never in short supply. It is up to the reader if they are interested in following through with other author’s findings but before that can happen, one has to be interested enough to want to be initially informed and to be honest Jay, I'm not feeling the interest from you.

Originally Posted by cardero
I did not criticize you for the fact that it was outdated by 50 years.

Now I really do feel old ...

If it makes you feel any better, the information was new to me and a fine recommendation for something I was always interested in.

 

[cardero]

Tomspug writes: Perhaps you are not aware that many theists do in fact believe that angels and demons have an impact on the world in the same way that aliens do.

Angels and demons are merely descriptors for malevolence and benevolence. Some researchers may agree that the ancient historical accounts indicate that angels, demons and aliens are the same phenomenon.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Angels and demons are merely descriptors for malevolence and benevolence. Some researchers may agree that the ancient historical accounts indicate that angels, demons and aliens are the same phenomenon.

I would disagree with that... I'm sure that someone out there may think this, but I would think that such an opinion would be a minority.