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Your favorite Pharaoh or Roman Emperor?

Discussion in 'Historical Debates' started by Spiderman, Sep 20, 2021.

  1. Spiderman

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    Pharaoh's are Theologically the most awesome.

    The Egyptians believed their pharaoh to be the mediator between the gods and the world of men. After death the pharaoh became divine, identified with Osiris, the father of Horus and god of the dead, and passed on his sacred powers and position to the new pharaoh, his son.

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    I pray the Pharaoh's (Osiris) adopt me, that I be their adopted son, possessed by Horus and the Osiris ghost/spirit (Kami) , and be God of the dead some day. I'm a work in progress for that vocation, :p but their dynasty can be found within.

    I live in Ramsey county and Ramses means "begotten of Ra". The Capitol Hill there has 17 Obelisks to Ra , and our bridges have Obelisks as well.

    My Phavorite Pharoah is the one who gave the Hebrew slave Joseph control of his house, possessions, and Kingdom, telling everyone "go to Joseph".

    Obviously not all Pharoahs were bad guys.

    I like Tiberius Caesar, the "gloomiest of men" he is called . I'm also fond of Caesar Augustus.

    Napoleon Bonaparte was also technically a "Holy Roman Emperor".

    Anyone have a favorite Roman Emperor or Pharaoh?
     
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  2. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Vespasian.
     
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  3. Dan From Smithville

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    My favorite was Pharaoh to Be Named Later followed by Emperor Not Appearing in This Thread.

    My favorite was further back and in between Rome and Egypt. Alexander the Great.
     
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  4. Rival

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    I don't know enough about the Pharaohs to make a decision, but I highly respect Tutankamun's reversal of his father's disastrous cult.
     
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  5. ChristineM

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    Rameses II was pretty good
     
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    Akhenaten,aka Amenhotep IV,great era of change and intrigue and father of Tutankhamen,Roman emperors,if I was pushed it would Romulus Augustus,seems the horse Rome rode for those centuries turned and kicked the last emperor out.
     
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    Stevicus, of course. ;)

    Well, actually, Spartacus - except he wasn't an emperor.
     
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    Hatshepsut - Wikipedia
     
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  9. Rival

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    Can we count Osir as a Pharaoh? :D

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  10. Spiderman

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    Absolutely!

    That is soo beautiful and mesmerizing. I will print that out when I finish treatment. :)

    Osiris loves you! :blueheart:
     
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  11. Rival

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    I just took it from Google, so beware it might be copyrighted :sweatsmile:

    He loves you too :)
     
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  12. The Hammer

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    Good luck with treatment. :)
     
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    My favorite Pharaoh would be Tutenkhamen, because he reversed Akhenaten's monotheistic changes to Egyptian religion.
     
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    Also since the living Pharaoh is identified with Horu, we have to count Him too :D

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    Not to mention the carnage Akhenaten caused and lives he wasted, the suppression he undertook.
     
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    @The Hammer

    But new research hints that life in Amarna was a combination of grinding toil and want—at least for the ordinary people who would have hauled the city's water, unloaded the boats on the Nile, and built Amarna's grand stone temples, which were erected in a rush on the orders of a ruler named Akhenaten, sometimes called the "Heretic Pharaoh."

    Researchers examining skeletons in the commoners' cemetery in Amarna have discovered that many of the city's children were malnourished and stunted. Adults show signs of backbreaking work, including high levels of injuries associated with accidents.

    "We have evidence of the most stressed and disease-ridden of the ancient skeletons of Egypt that have been reported to date," said University of Arkansas bioarchaeologist Jerome Rose (a National Geographic Committe for Research and Exploration grantee), one of the team of experts examining the dead. "Amarna is the capital city of the Egyptian empire. There should be plenty of food . . . Something seems to be amiss."

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    Nor do the tombs contain many of the grave goods found in wealthier burials. The ordinary people of Amarna couldn't have afforded much, but the bareness of their burials may also indicate that grave goods were becoming less important at the time, said archaeologist Anna Stevens, assistant director of the work at the site. Among the few objects found in the graves are three hippopotamus-shaped beads, probably worn by a woman or child before death as protective amulets.

    The children of Amarna apparently needed all the protection they could get. Skeletons from those between the ages of 3 and 25 at the time of death show signs of scurvy and rickets, according to research that Kathleen Kuckens, a University of Arkansas student working with Rose, will present at an anthropology meeting in April.

    Kuckens will also report that the children's teeth are grooved, a telltale mark of malnutrition. Children older than about 8.5 years showed signs of serious stunting, according to preliminary data that University of Arkansas graduate student Ashley Shidner will also present at the April meeting. It seems likely that those children weren't properly nourished and were engaged in abnormally high levels of physical activity. The children's skeletons show evidence of the constant use of muscles, Shidner said.

    Amarna's adults had it no easier than the children. More than 75 percent of the skeletons studied in detail had arthritis in their limbs or spines, suggesting hard labour. Fractured and compressed vertebrae were common, and 67 percent of the skeletons showed signs of at least one healing or healed fracture. Those rates are "really high" and "indicate a high workload," said osteoarchaeologist Jessica Kaiser of Ancient Egypt Research Associates, a group that is excavating around the pyramids of Giza.


    Ancient Egyptian Cemetery Holds Proof of Hard Labor (nationalgeographic.com)

    This as well as banning worship of other Gods save Aten, which wasn't even really worshipped before and was the generic orb of the Sun.
     
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  18. Rival

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    @The Hammer again,

    It has also been theorised that this was written during the period of persecution, when Amun worship was explicitly banned,

    "You are Amun, Lord of the Silent,
    who answers the cry of the humble.
    I cry unto You because I am afflicted,
    and already You come and save me.
    You who gives breath to he who lacks it!
    Save me, I, who am in distress.
    You are Amun-Re, Lord of Thebes,
    who even saves the one who is in the netherworld."


    Sorry for derailing Spiderman's thread :D
     
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    This is all interesting stuff :). As long as Spiderman doesn't mind.

    Edit: @Rival I'll admit I can't always keep the Egyptian Gods straight, in remembering who is who. Atem was the Sun God of Akhenaten?
     
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  20. Spiderman

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    Don't be sorry.

    Regarding Egyptology, wise and informed beyond your years you are! :)
     
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