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Featured You can not find God as a physical being

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Seeker of White Light, Nov 25, 2021.

  1. lewisnotmiller

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    Phhht....I'm a hack chef from the Southern Hemisphere and even I know there should be no cream in carbonara...
     
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    I can neither explain it, nor would particularly want to. Sounds reductionist to me.
     
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    O my eminent friend! They that seek to ascend to the heaven of mystic wayfaring are of four kinds only. I shall describe them in brief, that the signs and degrees of each may become plain and manifest to thee.

    If the wayfarers be among them that seek after the sanctuary of the Desired One, this plane pertaineth to the self—but the self which is intended is “the Self of God that pervadeth all His laws”.

    In this station the self is not rejected but beloved; it is regarded with favour and is not to be shunned. Although at the beginning this plane is the realm of conflict, yet it endeth in the ascent to the throne of glory. As it hath been said:

    O Abraham of the Spirit and God’s Friend in this day!
    Slay! Slay these four thieving birds of prey!
    that after death the mystery of life may be unravelled.

    This is the plane of the soul that is pleasing unto God, whereof He saith: “Enter thou among My servants, and enter thou My Paradise.”

    This station hath myriad signs and countless tokens. Hence it is said: “We will surely show them Our signs in the world and within themselves, until it become plain to them that there is no God save Him.”

    One must, then, read the book of one’s own self, rather than the treatise of some grammarian. Wherefore He hath said, “Read thy Book: There needeth none but thyself to make out an account against thee this day.”

    The story is told of a mystic knower who went on a journey with a learned grammarian for a companion. They came to the shore of the Sea of Grandeur. The knower, putting his trust in God, straightway flung himself into the waves, but the grammarian stood bewildered and lost in thoughts that were as words traced upon the water. The mystic called out to him, “Why dost thou not follow?” The grammarian answered, “O brother, what can I do? As I dare not advance, I must needs go back again.” Then the mystic cried, “Cast aside what thou hast learned from Síbavayh and Qawlavayh, from Ibn-i-Ḥájib and Ibn-i-Málik, and cross the water!”

    With renunciation, not with grammar’s rules, one must be armed:
    Be nothing, then, and cross this sea unharmed.

    Likewise He saith, “And be ye not like those who forget God, and whom He hath therefore caused to forget their own selves. Such men are the evil doers.”
    (The Call of the Divine Beloved)
    www.bahai.org/r/657441667
     
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  4. firedragon

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    The question was asked from him in the context of his proposition.
     
  5. rational experiences

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    You have to exist first to think.

    Basic. Theism exists nowhere else.

    You think using words you don't own.

    As anything you look at you give a name. Not as a God. As a human.

    No harm in words first. Reason you don't own what you look at.

    Then you used words to explain gods earth body and gas spirits once attacked changed. Man's use of evil words ...words however not the state..
    Evil.

    Coercion.

    Coldest highest was gods support of man. Science by fall...out as gas burning took it minus to the ground.

    As God owned the ground state sealed cold space vacuum zero with heavens.

    Second evidence was earths only.

    First evidence reason gases were alight burning by sun blast attacked.

    Big bang conscious identification of man on God earth. O earth and heavens just gods. Reaction finished.

    Theorising original big bang is a lie as nothing created hadnt even existed.

    We already knew it was an outright lie.

    So we argue by words first.

    Lying means not about holy God

    Men stated the law is holy. So you own no contest scientist as men first by first words said so.

    Law breakers. Scientists.

    If you say list everything in science you said was gods only. The machine is included no reaction. The reaction is a manifested machine.

    Anything listed is abstract from human ownership. Man said it was God earths only. God had owned it first.

    So he cannot theory about humans.

    Another realised human stated law...men lying.

    Fall out as machine created a reaction changed gods mass.

    Bio life lives in water mass. Machine thesis reaction was using water to cool the reaction.

    Earth and natural water was already cooled.

    Supply cooling they knew was ice. To melt it.

    One law to melt a God dust substance equalled higher melt minus cause from highest cold. Being ice.

    Metal in earth by seams already melt cooled fused. Gods metals. Why God owned the machine first no reaction.

    Ask a human to heal why do you take mineral dust to eat? Reason I am lacking gods minerals.

    Review of life loss. Irradiated fallout.

    Our dusts are a medical supply. As the bible discussed two topics.

    Human life sacrificed caused by men of science.
    The need to eat healing supplements to continue life.

    Mineral dusts healing powder the medical advice.

    As nuclear dusts are not taken into anyone's body.

    Science says I take anything of gods body which owns a huge listing in science and converts it

    If anyone posed the subject God to a human as a scientist they would own the intent to convert us. Same reason to theory intent to convert body.

    What was realised by the sane spiritual mind. Who then had to argue the bullies.

    So anyone would ask why do we argue?

    The answer was to save your natural living life from liars.

    Man theist builds machine does not own any substance listed as gods. Said he will find it inside his machine reaction.

    So he reacts earth as a conversion of God to get a gas to put inside of it. Gods substance only. Two reactions already.
     
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  6. TagliatelliMonster

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    I'm suddenly getting a mental image of a big table in my garden with all religious forum members, sharing awesome pizza and pasta and fine italian wine, while engaging in heated religious debate with typical italian temper!

    Sounds fantastic! :D
     
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    Empathy, evolutionary urges, a need to protect the young and needy - I don't know, not my area of expertise.

    BUT my inability to explain love doesn't mean that there is a god
     
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    No,

    But "God" is not an explanation either.
     
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    Faith statement.

    No problem. Not knowing is not a problem. But if you dont know, dont first make faith based statements, then say I dont know.

    Of course not. Who told you that?
     
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    Are you obsessed with GOd? I didnt talk about God at all.
     
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    If the wine is non-alcoholic, I could join you :)
     
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    Why not?
     
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    Because feelings are bio-electrical energy , a part of the human piezoelectric experience .
     
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    I am not dissimilar from the character in the lucid dream that realizes he is dreaming and that he is actually lying in bed asleep, but continues to interact with and participate in the dream. I, in my true nature, am a much this human body/mind complex as the character in the lucid dream is that human asleep in bed.
     
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    That's absurd.
    OK, I get that you think that they are CAUSED by that..
    ..but consciousness, which is not a physical concept, can't be reduced to electrical impulses.
    An electrical impulse cannot "feel something".
     
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    Because one can not explain a mystery by appealing to an even bigger mystery.
     
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    Ow? How have you determined that?
    Can you point me to a "consciousness" that is not emergent from a physical brain?
    And actually point me to one, not just claim that it exists while expecting me to "just believe" you.

    Nobody said that.
     
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    I would agree that the concept of G-d is in some ways a mystery.
    eg. what actually is an eternal, spiritual something?

    However, it is not ALL a mystery.
    At least, not if you believe in the scriptures that his messengers left us.
     
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    It is totally irrelevant how consciousness comes to be.
    It is the fact that we are aware that is the point.
    One doesn't think about electrical impulses when they are making love, for example..
    At least, I never have :)
     
  20. TagliatelliMonster

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    In ALL ways.

    So far, something that is indistinguishable from something that doesn't exists.

    Except that it is.

    Beliefs don't make any difference.
    Believing the most bizar stuff imaginable, does not make it any less bizar.
     
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